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	<title>Comments on: NAS Interview: Norman Oder, Atlantic Yards Report</title>
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		<title>By: A Society Holiday - The Local - Fort-Greene Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/27/nas-interview-norman-oder-atlantic-yards-report/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>A Society Holiday - The Local - Fort-Greene Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this point, you really need a scorecard because there are so many lawsuits out there against Atlantic Yards,“ she said. “As always, we [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this point, you really need a scorecard because there are so many lawsuits out there against Atlantic Yards,“ she said. “As always, we [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryskamp</title>
		<link>http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/27/nas-interview-norman-oder-atlantic-yards-report/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryskamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because there&#039;s nothing to &quot;review.&quot;  I&#039;m right.  If the Atlantic Yards clowns would simply understand the law better, they would win at least ONE of their cases.

I think they&#039;re really fronts for Ratner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because there&#8217;s nothing to &#8220;review.&#8221;  I&#8217;m right.  If the Atlantic Yards clowns would simply understand the law better, they would win at least ONE of their cases.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re really fronts for Ratner.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Oder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Oder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryskamp is pretty dismissive for someone whose book hasn&#039;t generated any reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryskamp is pretty dismissive for someone whose book hasn&#8217;t generated any reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryskamp</title>
		<link>http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/27/nas-interview-norman-oder-atlantic-yards-report/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryskamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll lose all these suits, because they sold out on the issue of &quot;development.&quot;  Justice Stevens, in Kelo, said there was NO distinction between eminent domain for development as opposed to other uses, but the IDIOT lawyers DDDB has, said Oh yes there is.  So Ratner said, Thank you for making development the issue--I&#039;ll win there.

And of course he has.  What&#039;s the problem with DDDB&#039;s legal team?  Why, it&#039;s the same problem the DDDB members have: THEY DON&#039;T BELIEVE IN RIGHTS.

The only way to fight eminent domain is to claim that the facts involved in the taking enjoy a higher level of scrutiny than &quot;minimum scrutiny.&quot;  But DDDB and its lawyers CONSISTENTLY REFUSE TO ARGUE THAT HOUSING ENJOYS A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY HIGHER THAN MINIMUM SCRUTINY.

There is plenty of room to argue that minimum scrutiny (imposed by the Supreme Court in West Coast Hotel, and I am sure there is an analogous state law provision) is grounded on &quot;maintenance&quot; of important facts, since &quot;maintenance&quot; is used in both West Coast and even U.S. v. Carolene Products (which supposedly stands for the proposition that since housing is a &quot;social&quot; fact, you can&#039;t have a higher level of scrutiny for it).

Indeed, the work Ratner has done shows that he HIMSELF believes housing is an &quot;important&quot; fact, using the West Virginia v. Barnette test for raising the level of scrutiny for a fact:

Is it

1.  a fact of human experience
2.  which history demonstrates
3.  is not affected by attempts to affect it.

In short, DDDB and its lawyers should be arguing that the law maintains important facts, that housing is an important fact, and that the project does not maintain housing.

But they simply refuse to do it.  They insist on playing by the out-of-date view of minimum scrutiny, and arguing that THEIR discretion is better than the government&#039;s discretion.  That is necessarily a losing argument, and so of course they have lost case.

Just read my book, The Eminent Domain Revolt.

DDDB and its lawyers are cowards and basically just as much police state flunkeys as Ratner.  This is an argument between two groups of police state rats.  It&#039;s about power, not about rights, so who cares if DDDB loses?

This ridiculous scum doesn&#039;t realize that the scrutiny regime is OVER and that we have entered into the maintenance regime.  If their lawyers weren&#039;t so ignorant of Constitutional developments, they would have won this case long ago.

Instead, all the little rats in the Atlantic Yards &quot;footprint&quot; will be moved out.  

Who will mourn when one pack of police state rats is moved out to make way for another?  

Not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll lose all these suits, because they sold out on the issue of &#8220;development.&#8221;  Justice Stevens, in Kelo, said there was NO distinction between eminent domain for development as opposed to other uses, but the IDIOT lawyers DDDB has, said Oh yes there is.  So Ratner said, Thank you for making development the issue&#8211;I&#8217;ll win there.</p>
<p>And of course he has.  What&#8217;s the problem with DDDB&#8217;s legal team?  Why, it&#8217;s the same problem the DDDB members have: THEY DON&#8217;T BELIEVE IN RIGHTS.</p>
<p>The only way to fight eminent domain is to claim that the facts involved in the taking enjoy a higher level of scrutiny than &#8220;minimum scrutiny.&#8221;  But DDDB and its lawyers CONSISTENTLY REFUSE TO ARGUE THAT HOUSING ENJOYS A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY HIGHER THAN MINIMUM SCRUTINY.</p>
<p>There is plenty of room to argue that minimum scrutiny (imposed by the Supreme Court in West Coast Hotel, and I am sure there is an analogous state law provision) is grounded on &#8220;maintenance&#8221; of important facts, since &#8220;maintenance&#8221; is used in both West Coast and even U.S. v. Carolene Products (which supposedly stands for the proposition that since housing is a &#8220;social&#8221; fact, you can&#8217;t have a higher level of scrutiny for it).</p>
<p>Indeed, the work Ratner has done shows that he HIMSELF believes housing is an &#8220;important&#8221; fact, using the West Virginia v. Barnette test for raising the level of scrutiny for a fact:</p>
<p>Is it</p>
<p>1.  a fact of human experience<br />
2.  which history demonstrates<br />
3.  is not affected by attempts to affect it.</p>
<p>In short, DDDB and its lawyers should be arguing that the law maintains important facts, that housing is an important fact, and that the project does not maintain housing.</p>
<p>But they simply refuse to do it.  They insist on playing by the out-of-date view of minimum scrutiny, and arguing that THEIR discretion is better than the government&#8217;s discretion.  That is necessarily a losing argument, and so of course they have lost case.</p>
<p>Just read my book, The Eminent Domain Revolt.</p>
<p>DDDB and its lawyers are cowards and basically just as much police state flunkeys as Ratner.  This is an argument between two groups of police state rats.  It&#8217;s about power, not about rights, so who cares if DDDB loses?</p>
<p>This ridiculous scum doesn&#8217;t realize that the scrutiny regime is OVER and that we have entered into the maintenance regime.  If their lawyers weren&#8217;t so ignorant of Constitutional developments, they would have won this case long ago.</p>
<p>Instead, all the little rats in the Atlantic Yards &#8220;footprint&#8221; will be moved out.  </p>
<p>Who will mourn when one pack of police state rats is moved out to make way for another?  </p>
<p>Not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Oder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Oder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also have mentioned Michael D.D. White and his Noticing New York blog, which covers various development issues, including Atlantic Yards. His latest piece, on hurdles facing the bond sale, is a must-read:
http://noticingnewyork.blogspot.com/2009/10/so-many-unchecked-approval-boxes-why.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also have mentioned Michael D.D. White and his Noticing New York blog, which covers various development issues, including Atlantic Yards. His latest piece, on hurdles facing the bond sale, is a must-read:<br />
<a href="http://noticingnewyork.blogspot.com/2009/10/so-many-unchecked-approval-boxes-why.html" rel="nofollow">http://noticingnewyork.blogspot.com/2009/10/so-many-unchecked-approval-boxes-why.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Pruiti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Pruiti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just experimenting with some things Jesse, don&#039;t worry though, we didn&#039;t like how the top one fit, so it&#039;s gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just experimenting with some things Jesse, don&#8217;t worry though, we didn&#8217;t like how the top one fit, so it&#8217;s gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/27/nas-interview-norman-oder-atlantic-yards-report/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOOOO, ADVERTISEMENTS!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Leader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Leader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it Mark. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it Mark. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ginocchio</title>
		<link>http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/27/nas-interview-norman-oder-atlantic-yards-report/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ginocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan there is a link in the post &quot;compiled some audio&quot; that should bring you to the AYR site with the audio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan there is a link in the post &#8220;compiled some audio&#8221; that should bring you to the AYR site with the audio.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Leader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Leader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I generally read the AYR quite carefully, I don&#039;t remember seeing (or hearing) &quot;Nets CEO Brett Yormark has expressed certainty about an arena opening date but also has kept shifting the goalposts, so I compiled some audio of those statements.&quot; Is there a way or a location that one can find and hear the audio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I generally read the AYR quite carefully, I don&#8217;t remember seeing (or hearing) &#8220;Nets CEO Brett Yormark has expressed certainty about an arena opening date but also has kept shifting the goalposts, so I compiled some audio of those statements.&#8221; Is there a way or a location that one can find and hear the audio?</p>
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