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BlazersEdge On Travis Outlaw

After it broke that the Nets’ signed Travis Outlaw to a 5 year 35 million dollar contract (it is now reported to be 5 years at 7 million flat), I sent an e-mail to Ben Golliver from the great Blazers’ blog, BlazersEdge asking him about Outlaw.  This was his response:

Travis Outlaw: great personality, ok player.  Outlaw was one of the most popular (and polarizing) Trail Blazers during his time in Portland, owing to his Mississippi drawl, shy but hilarious personality and maddening game.  A prototypical stretch 4, he lacks a position but poses mismatch problems thanks to his height and ability to elevate.

Outlaw’s best skill is his ability to put the ball in the basket.  His offensive game is predicated on relatively simple skills.  He’s not a great ballhandler but he can use a dribble or two to get his own shot from almost anywhere on the court.  He’s not the most natural pure shooter and he’s prone to off-balance fall-aways and leaners, but he converts at a solid clip.  He’s not a traditional three point sniper but he can knock down the standstill corner three and stretch the floor a little bit.

He’s not much of a passer or playmaker and his court vision and understanding of spacing and timing isn’t great.  He tends to look for his own shot most of the time the ball in his hands, which is ideal if he’s coming off the bench in a scorer’s role.  He plays hard but he’s not always focused and he’s never shown a commitment to or affinity for diligently rebounding the basketball on either end.  He’s not a guy who will use his length to get a lot of second chance points.  That frustrated a lot of Blazers fans.

His defense improved dramatically over the course of his time in Portland but it’s not anything to write home about.  His footwork isn’t great and he gets lost in team schemes sometimes.  He suffers from classic tweener syndrome — too skinny to guard true 4s, not quite quick enough to stay with pure 3s. He’s best as a one-on-one perimeter defender where he can use his athleticism and length to force tough shots.  He showed some flashes as a help defender too, using his long arms to block shots from behind.

Although the Blazers hardly ever get out in transition, Outlaw’s leaping ability makes him a good finisher on fast breaks.  He’s more than capable of some highlight reel above-the-rim action.

Nate McMillan has mentioned a number of times since Outlaw was traded for Marcus Camby that he misses Outlaw’s shooting/scoring ability as a way to balance the floor and keep defenders honest.  Outlaw fit that role next to Brandon Roy late in games very well, as he showed the ability to hit some big shots down the stretch and developed a fearlessness under pressure. He’s not really suited to be the main option in those situations as his handle isn’t good enough to run pick and rolls and his decision-making isn’t consistent enough to handle double-teams.  He’s much, much better as a safety valve, and he’s able to deliver in that role.

Given his limitations as a player, I think the Nets overpaid, but who hasn’t in this market?  Somebody was going to overpay for him because he has proven he can score.  Although he’s still fairly young, I’m not sure you’ll see a ton of development over the next five years, but he’s a solid player now and should continue to be.  He was known as Roy’s best friend on the team and a cut-up in the locker room. Like most Blazers, he’s a high character guy who you don’t need to worry about off the court.  He’s definitely somebody fans can get excited about.
The point made by Ben about him being overpaid is an important one.  In a market where all these teams have 20+ million in cap space, somebody was going to overpay for a guy like Travis Outlaw.  My guess is that the Nets were bidding against someone for his services, and you know what?  I am happy the Nets won out.

Travis Outlaw: great personality, ok player.  Outlaw was one of the most popular (and polarizing) Trail Blazers during his time in Portland, owing to his Mississippi drawl, shy but hilarious personality and maddening game.  A prototypical stretch 4, he lacks a position but poses mismatch problems thanks to his height and ability to elevate.

Outlaw’s best skill is his ability to put the ball in the basket.  His offensive game is predicated on relatively simple skills.  He’s not a great ballhandler but he can use a dribble or two to get his own shot from almost anywhere on the court.  He’s not the most natural pure shooter and he’s prone to off-balance fall-aways and leaners, but he converts at a solid clip.  He’s not a traditional three point sniper but he can knock down the standstill corner three and stretch the floor a little bit.

He’s not much of a passer or playmaker and his court vision and understanding of spacing and timing isn’t great.  He tends to look for his own shot most of the time the ball in his hands, which is ideal if he’s coming off the bench in a scorer’s role.  He plays hard but he’s not always focused and he’s never shown a commitment to or affinity for diligently rebounding the basketball on either end.  He’s not a guy who will use his length to get a lot of second chance points.  That frustrated a lot of Blazers fans.
His defense improved dramatically over the course of his time in Portland but it’s not anything to write home about.  His footwork isn’t great and he gets lost in team schemes sometimes.  He suffers from classic tweener syndrome — too skinny to guard true 4s, not quite quick enough to stay with pure 3s. He’s best as a one-on-one perimeter defender where he can use his athleticism and length to force tough shots.  He showed some flashes as a help defender too, using his long arms to block shots from behind.
Although the Blazers hardly ever get out in transition, Outlaw’s leaping ability makes him a good finisher on fast breaks.  He’s more than capable of some highlight reel above-the-rim action.
Nate McMillan has mentioned a number of times since Outlaw was traded for Marcus Camby that he misses Outlaw’s shooting/scoring ability as a way to balance the floor and keep defenders honest.  Outlaw fit that role next to Brandon Roy late in games very well, as he showed the ability to hit some big shots down the stretch and developed a fearlessness under pressure. He’s not really suited to be the main option in those situations as his handle isn’t good enough to run pick and rolls and his decision-making isn’t consistent enough to handle double-teams.  He’s much, much better as a safety valve, and he’s able to deliver in that role.

Given his limitations as a player, I think the Nets overpaid, but who hasn’t in this market?  Somebody was going to overpay for him because he has proven he can score.  Although he’s still fairly young, I’m not sure you’ll see a ton of development over the next five years, but he’s a solid player now and should continue to be.

He was known as Roy’s best friend on the team and a cut-up in the locker room. Like most Blazers, he’s a high character guy who you don’t need to worry about off the court.  He’s definitely somebody fans can get excited about.
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we didnt overpay, the guy is 25 and has big game potential. he was an athletic scorer who added a very nice mid to long range game. he can slash with the best of them and plays lock down D. lets not forget this guy was the number 1 scoring option in Portland before a guy named Brandon Roy came around. then got shipped to the clips were he got injured. the nets needed a young foreward with scoring ability. this guy fits the description. i love this sign and i think he will put up monster numbers playing with assets like Devin and B-Lo. this will sulitify the nets roster.

@liam
not true. CDR is a slasher. Outlaw is a jump shooter. CDR has no post game. Outlaw has a couple post moves. CDR is 6'7, Outlaw is 6'9. CDR has attitude issues. Outlaw is a class guy who is loved by his previous teammates. There is a big difference between the two players.

@YOYO;
I think Outlaw will surprise you. I been on some Trail Blazers sites and the fans seem to honestly miss him and are wishing him the best of luck with the Nets. Portland even was thinking of taking him back and met with him. I guess the Nets blew them out of the water with their offer. Good!

To put things into perspective , the Clippers signed Ryan Gomes for 3 years at 12 million. That's the kind of guy and contract they should have been looking for instead of Outlaw.

First the Yi debacle , now Outlaw ? What's next ?

The fact of the matter is, Outlaw is exactly like CDR, but with a heftier price tag.

Outlaw: 9,4,1
CDR: 10,3,1

CDR has an attitude problem, yes. Avery Johnson is a no BS coach and would change that. CDR was due to make under $1 mill this year..

Nets suck. The NBA sucks. No the Heat will not be fun to watch. I don't like watching cheaters.

Look everyone, if you hate the Nets so much dont watch them. I think we are pretty fortunate to be a much better team than the Knicks the last decade and to have made it to the finals twice. Every team has a down period. There is no reason to think so negatively. Be logical. There is a pendulum. Some teams somehow are always great through a long period of time (Boston, Lakers) but most teams have either one or zero championships.
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-Some teams have been recently good/great (Mavs and Spurs have been great the last 10 years--but they were seriously horrible years before that.. same goes for Portland/Bulls/Jazz before the Mavs)
-some teams are good/great for an amount of time every 5, 6, or 7 years (Magic, Bucks, Sonics/Thunder, Rockets, etc)
-some teams are good/great every decade or so (Nets, Pistons, 76ers)
-some teams have had some near championship teams before but have struggled through most of their career (Kings, Timberwolves)
-some teams are newer and struggling to make an impact in the league (Raptors, Bobcats, Memphis etc)
-and some teams are due or were due (Atlanta, Knicks, and you can even put the Heat in that conversation. They were due to win a championship before Wade won them their first in 2006)
-some teams just have horrible ownership (LA Clippers)

My point is that there is a winning pendulum. Even the Celtics and Lakers experience this. The difference is often tied to chance but there are controllable variables. One is to have good ownership. The Nets have this. Two is having a good market/arena. The Nets are on the verge of having this--and not just any market but a super massive one with one of the best, most accessible arenas. Regardless of how negative that lame old bitter fans can act, the Nets will thrive. There are only good things to come Nets fans.

The Nets were actually very close to being a decade superpower. If Bruce Ratner wasn't running the team to the ground, consecutive finals trips with Jason Kidd and Co was an ideal building block to work with--things didn't work out. And honestly you can say that about many teams. But you can't say that many teams have great ownership. On top of that add great coaching--an even smaller list of teams. However, great ownership usually is great because they hire the best most capable coaches available.

Have faith Nets fans. Keep positive... or, be miserable quietly by yourself, or watch a different team--or none at all--i dont care. But most importantly, chill out and dont spread your negativity. Lets not forget that basketball is a sport, its something to take us away from our daily lives--it should be fullfilling--if its not, dont watch it. But lets not ruin an activity that other people enjoy because you are bitter.

Thats all, goodnight, go Nets!!!

i'm really disappointed about striking out with all the tier 1 and 2 players in free agency, but looking at the big picture i still think the future is very bright for the nets. we have a load of very young talent, multiple draft picks, and cap space - not to mention a ton of resources and a new arena coming up.

it looks pretty bad that the nets got travis outlaw the same day lebron announces he's going to miami, but i believe he's a good pick up. he's an athletic player who can score in the clutch, and someone who can fit well with avery's system. 7 million dollars a year ain't that bad of a price either. that's a pretty good deal relative to our past players' contracts. i just hope the nets don't get into a bidding war for tyrus thomas. the dude's not worth it.

@LJ23-- more like going from 20 to 21. Another $150 mil and we'd make the #8 seed!

JDoc it was a terrible signing. Same old NETS! So who is better Chris Morris or Travis Outlaw? I would go with Morris.

so instead of winning 20 games this year the Nets will now win 25 with Outlaw

I agree. also i feel like just having a 4th quarter go to guy is important, even if he's coming off the bench.

Has anyone really looked at Travis Outlaw's game? He is nothing like Yi. Yi is a spot up shooter with no dribbling. Outlaw has some moves and is a clutch shooter. He also takes it to the hoop and dunks. He is a softer power forward and is ideally a 3 but he is in no way similar to Yi. Yi was a disappointment and overpaid at 4 mil/yr. To pay Outlaw 7mil/yr in a ridiculously upscaled market for shooting support and clutch skills could be looked at as a smart decision. He will not be a star, but a solid contributor.

Chris cash above has it right. The length of this deal is what got me annoyed. On Nets fans sites, too many get upsaet when people keep it real.

Ity was slim pickins at the SF position for the Nets in FA at this point. I was kinda lookin at Barnes because he is hard nosed and can shoot some. But the Nets need some scoring considering no Boozer - so Outlaw is better in that regard but not a major difference maker.

But really 5 years at that rate? 3 years max and probaby less than 7 mill makes sense to me. If not - see ya!. Come on. I hope this doesn't affect future signings to actually get better.

@CAT- I don't think that the Nets had a really good shot at him anyway. The main reason he was impressed with the presentation to begin with was because the Nets promised that they could get Chris Bosh, which obviously didn't happen.
Its tough to be optimistic about our situation, but the signing wasn't horrible. I doubt Thorn would sign Outlaw if he knew we had a realistic shot at LeBron.

@fro-- Here's hoping. At least Outlaw is supposed to have a good attitude.

@Victor-- Can you imagine if LeBron WAS going to come here, but Thorn didn't think so and pooched it with this signing? That would be the biggest sports blooper ever, and worse than selling Dr. J and failing to sign Kareem. Yurg.

@LJ23: Not bad at all. We don't know the rest of Miami's squad. Even then, I still say they can't match up well with the Lakers. They don't have size at all. There's only one basketball and good defense will force Wade to go 8/24 and Bosh to grab zero offensive rebounds. Even if all 3 averaged 25 ppg, they still would have one of the worst offensive outputs in the league if no one steps up. They need more players around them.
@toasters: I see your point, but perhaps Rod is going for the perfect combination rather than try to sign the best players and win now. We're building an athletic and fundamentals team. Twill, Favors, Devo, and Outlaw will get us the flash. Brook, Clee, and DJames will keep us grounded. If you think about it, most people did not think much of Chauncey, Prince, and Rip until they started playing together. They helped refine each other's game a lot. Perhaps we're going for a "you don't know until you try" approach, just with overpaying.

Ya why'd they have to gie this guy 5 years? Idc about the money, what else were we gunna spend it on? But to Have 7 mill locked up on this guy for that long kinda seems like a mistake, but hey nets looking good, I want scola or lee and a good backup point guard, then we will decent starters and a good bench with the likes of c. Lee, favors, James, humphries, I'm just saying Rudy gay would look real good right Now, but hey we can hope for another lottery win and get Harrison barnes at sf lmao

I Just want us to be better and respectable than last year, but we were probably better off keeping Yi at a lower price, than sign Outlaw.

It seems like LeBron will not sign with the Nets, due to this signing. The Nets would not sign Outlaw if they had any hope that they would get LBJ.

How horrible will it be for the NBA if lebron joins Bosh and Wade on one team.

35 million for this guy? Thorn is really trying to screw the nets before he leaves.

@ calling all toasters- i like nate mcmillan as a coach. but he's no avery. he couldnt get the best out of outlaw. avery will teach him how to use his length and athleticism to play defense. remember, paul pierce and ray allen didnt play defense their whole career. but when they were put in the right system, they were shutting people down. and they made this change in their 30's. trust avery...

@hbj-- I agree we should try to get in the playoffs ASAP. Outlaw doesn't help us there, either. He may, indeed, get 15-17 ppg, but they won't help. He is a mediocre rebounder, doesn't get assists at all, is a low % shooter, and a poor defender. He may be only 25, but he hasn't developed a better offense since he was 19. If we want some more wins now, we would be better off with Ridnour, Childress, etc., etc. If we want to win down the road we shouldn't have signed him for 5 years. It's lose-lose.

i think we should look korver and scola or tryus thomas for as cheap as we can if we can get those 2 tht will add so much depth to our team

Thanks hbj a voice of positive thinking and logical reasoning.

Before we can start talking about winning a championship, we first have to get into the playoffs. Our young guys need to feel what a playoff atmosphere feels like. Even if we get eliminated in round 1. It's a start. This move with outlaw is a small step closer to the playoffs. This guy is very athletic, with an outside shot, and he is only 25 years old. You guys need to check out some of his hilights on youtube. I think he is going to be good for us...

I'm so happy we didn't get Boozer or Amare. Boozer is always hurt and doesnt play defense. Amare doesnt rebound or play defense. Both of those guys are way overpaid. With the Nba cap going up this year, we still have 25 million dollars to play with even after the outlaw deal. We are in a very good place. Outlaw is only 25. He is about to enter into his better years. He has the abilty to average 15-17 ppg. Thats worth 7 million in this market. I believe Avery will get the best out of him...

@BigDaddy-- "The Nets are about building a championship quality team. Not to do stupid things to ruin the future." So are the Timberwolves. They just happen to have a stupid GM. Today we made a stupid move that in no way helps us get closer to a championship.

@JDoc-- are you trying to make some kind of point? Those who criticize this idiotic signing aren't quitting on the team, unlike those who peddle Jay-Z and LeBron conspiracy theories. If and when LeBron doesn't sign with the Nets, we're not going to collapse and cry about why he didn't pick us. He's got his reasons, and one of them (if he goes somewhere else) could indeed be that we made a crap acquisition at his own position, while our competitors picked up top PFs. It's the job of the Nets' management to make the team a rational place for LeBron to choose. Then we just hope for the best. They didn't do their job, and we still hope for the best, but we understand that it's less likely now.

If you want the money take it, if you want to win do what the players who want to win do. Look at Paul Pierce, he did and other players who actually took less money to be on their team, they bleed the colors of that team. So what type of players do you want on the Nets? No matter what, they are all over paid but I do NOT want mercenaries. I want players who want to be a Net. I admire Amar'e, he wanted to be a Knick but he did take the money, but he said this is were I want to play and I don't care what leBron does!!!!! Kudos to Amar'e. DLee goes to the Warriors, good luck David..ha ha ha ha, you proved you're full of it, you took the money and don't care about winning. So people, fans, all Net fans....please think about it all!!!! Stop acting like overly emotional children, this is business, BIG business and things are not in the GMs control it's a players league. So if a player wants the cash they follow that path, if they want to win they follow that path, if they want to be in a certain situation they follow that path. The Nets are about building a championship quality team. Not to do stupid things to ruin the future. Thorn and Kiki have been working for a few years now to do it the right way, trades and draft picks. We are now about to start seeing that work pay off. We do not need mercenaries to take Proky's money and then disappear. Proky, Jay Z, Avery and Thorn are not stupid men, they know who and what each player is about. We don't really know these players. If some player does not want to be a Net then screw them. When we are playing for championships they can watch it on TV and count their money. Go NETS!!!!! All in man.

@fro:
1) They were slack in going after Boozer, Amar'e should have been on their radar, and they act like they've never heard of David Lee.
2) The Jazz were looking to move Kirilenko a little while ago.
3) Outlaw isn't "unproven," he's a consistently below average player. Childress OTOH has been consistently above average-- when he left for Europe he was better than Outlaw will ever be.
4) Fine, let's say James and TWill can only cover 42 minutes at the 3. Six minutes of a minimum vet or a D-leaguer isn't going to keep us out of the playoffs. We're not going anyway.
5) I don't know how you can make this as a blanket statement. D-leaguers wouldn't be brought up for their own development, but instead to allow our youngsters more minutes.
6) I was jazzed when we got DJames and hired Avery, but the hotshot management seems to have been napping since then.

I want to hear Lebron James say Nets tonight, just to hear all you whiny crybabies recant your negativity.

Stop being so freaking fair weather. We're not in a bad place. Let the guys that actually have the negotiations determine the contracts.

I'm sure Outlaw had other offers. I'm sure we looked at Reddick and Korver too. The bottom line is this isn't an Amare contract and we can work around it if we have to.

Just let the team come together before you start throwing out judgements.

Maybe Lebron called Jay-Z and told him he's announcing Nets tonight. Heck Jay-Z has a house in Greenwich. Maybe he's eating dinner with him before hand.

Maybe a David Lee contract is in the works as soon as Lebron makes his "official" decision.

Just let the team come together before we assess how terrible you think one signing is.

@toasters:
1. They tried to, but Boozer didn't even give them a chance to match. Amar'e wasn't even on their radar, I believe.
2. AK47 is super injury prone. What incentive does Utah have to give us an expiring contract?? If we were that lucky, we might as well go for CP3 and Peja!
3. Josh Childress is even more unproven than Outlaw.
4. Twill will be a combo G/F and has to share minutes. I agree James could start, but at least Outlaw gives us depth since we can't play James/Twill 48 minutes at the 3.
5. D-leaguers do not prove to rebuilding AT ALL. Look at the Warriors.
6. I agree, this off-season has been bleh.

Look- nobody should be happy about overpaying for a limited player like Outlaw for an entire 5 year period, especially given the current state of the CBA. Assuming a reduction in overall player salaries and the salary cap, Outlaw's contract will be even worse when it takes up an even greater portion of the Nets cap next year. The type of player Outlaw is are a dime a dozen anyway and could have been had for much longer than 5 years and 35 million.

sounds a lot like Yi (offensive player, maddening at times), but for $5 instead of $4... also coming off an injury last season.

i like him and think he'll have more room to grow with us. He and damion jones should be solid at the 3, although i actually like damion james' potential.

B- for this move because we did overpay a little.

@Mike Pop-- well, now that Stewie Griffin is our GM it seems like a rational response.

@useyourwords-- here are some alternatives:
1) Actually pursue a premier PF. Obviously, that ship has sailed, and it WAS due to lack of trying.
2) Get AK-47. He's expensive, but has an expiring contract, so we won't be screwed down the road. Unlike now.
3) If we absolutely must eat some cap space at SF for 5 years, get Josh Childress. He might cost as much as Outlaw, but Outlaw can't carry his antifungal spray.
4) Do nothing at SF. Start TWill at SF with DJames as his backup. DJames could actually probably start on day 1. We'd need a backup PG then (TWill being occupied), but I'd think we could get Felton, Lowry, or Ridnour for not a lot more than what we coughed up here. And, again, vastly superior players to Outlaw.
5) Bring back Boone and Chris Quinn, hire some D-Leaguers, and commit to rebuilding rather than mediocrity.

But instead, we're going with
6) What-evuh!

calling all toasters,

you're really being a bigger buzzkill than buzz killington right about now.

@calling all toasters - I agree to an extent, but what are your alternatives? You've got a billionaire owner who is willing to spend cash, and no superstars to sign. Either you settle with the players you've got (obviously not a recipe for success given the most recent year's results) or you use the cap space you've got and overpay for a role player.

Oh, or the Knicks or the Hawks-- Amar'e and Johnson are looking like bargains compared to this.

@Sebastian-- You're HAPPY we overpaid for a one-dimensional chucker? What's next, wanting Isiah for GM? "In a market where all these teams have 20+ million in cap space, somebody was going to overpay for a guy like Travis Outlaw." Well, not the Heat or the Bulls or whoever gets LeBron-- they're using their cap space on good players. Plus, this has all the wisdom of buying stocks right after a big run-up: "we can't miss out on these high prices! Hurry! Hurry!"
You know better than this.

Positive, positive thinking and positive outlooks. That's what I'm about and why I am not a Knick fan anymore. I'm all in with the Nets now. I have always followed the Nets but now I'm all in...WHY? because I believe in Avery Johnson and Proky. I have liked Lopez from day one and wished some how we also drafted his bro who is turning into a very good center in his own right. What a one-two punch that would have been!!!!! Outlaw is a good solid player with room for improvement. He's still young and Avery will find a way to up Outlaw's game. Now lets find a backup PG and a PF, fill out the roster and go to war. Like I said if DLee okay's a sign and trade to a terrible club like the warriors or signs with Minny ya know he's in for the money and not about winning. Do you want a player like that? No....I want to see hard nosed players on my team who want to WIN and will do whatever it takes to accomplish that one goal. Like the Lakers and Celtics.

Enough of this nonsense about being overpaid. All players are overpaid, in all sports. I like the move and wish Outlaw the best.

Well thanks for the confirmation that we overpaid for a 12 ppg scorer.

My guess is that the Clippers originally gave him something around 5 yrs/30 mil, but with Aminu and Blake Griffin coming in, they didn't rebid once NJ bumped it up 5 million. I agree, Outlaw isn't a game changer, but he's a solid rotation player and I definitely remember some of the nasty jams he had last season. Hopefully he'll be a spark and great presence in the locker room to make sure morale stays high when the Nets are doing poorly.

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