Nets Are Scorching

our lineup should look like this
1)chris paul/jordan farmar
2)anthony morrow/courtney lee
3)carmelo anthony/damion jones
4)derrick favors/chris humphries
5)brook lopez/petro

If we can trade devin harris a future first round pick and cash and or Terrence Williams while his stock is HIGH for chris paul. Carmelo Anthony will follow. trust me!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW THATS A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM PERION. START MAKING THOSE CALLS TO CHARLOTTE NOW! MR. KING

ok.Trad Devin Harris a future next years first rounder and cash for Chris Paul. With Paul Lopez an Favors granted 30 plus minutes. Paul will have our twin towers in allstar form in six months. Granted the gm is reading this comment

Oh my goodness. are you ******* me. Why would you trade the one bright spot for a PF that you don't anticipated to even be in the future plans. C. LEE is a bust as far at the Nets are concerned. I say play him and see what happens either he continues on the downward spiral of poor play and we release him or he steps up and we trade him. but trading Williams for a dude that is with out a doubt not going to be in our future plans with Favors being there is foolish. unless they are planning on trading Favors. Move Willams over to the Two and let him grow. If you are to trade any one and i don't think you can let it be D. Harris you can sell a team on the fact that he didn't work in our system but he is worth what we want. And i'm sorry Kris Hump was not that good.. I don't give points for trying hard..

Hey I happen to like TWill, but only as a PG. He can max out his value there, and hide his shortcomings as a shooter.
But I think you're wrong about Favors and Harris.
Harris played awful last year, and even two years ago at his peak he wasn't a great distributor.
And there were at least a half a dozen second or first year PF's that player better than Favors in Summer League.
I think Seraphin will have a better career than Favors.

Just a small aside. Tyreke is harder to coach than Twill. By far.

Well i dont know how many triple doubles Tyreke recorded last year but Tyreke Evans does have that ability to put em up, he was rookie of the year and many project him to be an all star. Twill, i believe posted more triple doubles than Tyreke, has the same potential as tyreke so why would people not think he has all star ability? My point is when you are a rookie and put up #s like this: 27 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists, why would you want to trade that?

How bout Tyreke Evans Blaze?

hold on a sec here: 1. Give Favors some credit, he will the franchise in a few years. He will be on the same level as Dwight Howard.

2. If we would have gotten John Wall then i would have said trade Devin to Indiana for Danny Granger. But since we did not, Devin should not be traded. Devin is a top 10 PG talent. You keep him

3. Twill, despite what anyone may think has the potential to be a superstar. He puts up superstar #s once in a while with his triple doubles. Name 1 second year player that has the ability to put up triple doubles. Name me one?

Make a run for scola if you cant get him, then u develop favors. he will have to grow up much faster thats all. Oh yea get Al harrington too.

I think people will be surprise by how good Favours might do. And how he might be quite an upgrade over Yi at times.

@Mike I disagree I think the nets are very high on T Will maybe not so much any longer on C Lee.

Well since the nets have messed acquiring a started through free agnecy. I'd rather start Favours and if this is a total disaster revisit the matter mid season. Seems like a better idea then giving up a player like Terrance Williams right now.

OK lets get serious and look at our line up NOW. Not some make believe in the future if the stars align correctly and magic happens..LOL. We have a solid young veteran team. The starting lineup of Harris, CLee, Outlaw, Humphries and Lopez is not that bad. We know Favors will see time, figure 5-10 minutes and slowly grow until by the end of the season he should be getting the lions share at 30+. Having Morrow, TWill, Johan, James, Farmar possibly Zoubek off the bench is not too shabby either. So maybe our starting 5 is not the best in the league but our 12 man roster is pretty good and will go a long way to winning games from the point of less drop-off when the second team is in. Substitutions will not be a recipe for disaster and shrinking leads. We have improved in every facet of that aspect. We no longer have to pray Harris does not get injured nor worry about a huge drop-off when he sits, Farmar will do the job. TWill and Morrow will supply shooting and scoring when Outlaw sits, something we have NEVER had. Johan and hopefully Zoubek will provide much needed backup for Lopez. And I know Favors will be raw but his athleticism will allow him to make plays inside, something we haven't had since Keyon Martin. He will alter a lot of shots and change the way teams attack the paint. On the offensive end he will score on put backs because of his rebounding ability. Avery Johnson will demand defense and unselfish play, that alone will make this team steal away a few wins here and there and those add up. I have the feeling we can squeeze in to the last seed if we stay healthy and some players make strides to improve and they will or Johnson will get rid of them. Who needs dead wood, we have enough of that for the past few years. There are 8 seeds, looking at last season's standings I can see a few teams have gotten better and just as many have gotten much worse. The Knicks have improved, but to make the playoffs, maybe, maybe not. The Cavs will stink forget them. The 4 teams on the top are the Celtics, Magic and the Bulls, of course Miami has to be included but you never know. The Bucks have to stay healthy or they might not make it. Atlanta and the Bobcats are question marks because the quality of the competition has improved, can they even have as good a record as they did, maybe not. So we might be able to slip in if Johnson gets these guys to play hard every game, having such a good bench will go a long way to keep everybody fresh. One more player at the PF might just give us that edge we need to make that last seed. I truly believe it's possible and some playoff experience will go a long way to help this team grow. It's all about playing hard, I saw too many teams lay down and die in the playoffs(the cavs for sure did). They were beaten mentally and physically and just gave up. That I HOPE will never happen again to an Avery Johnson coached team. I know it seemed that way one season with his Dallas team. Go Nets!!!!

I think for 2011-12, our lineup can look like this:

PG – C. Paul/Farmar
SG – M. Redd/T-Will/
SF – Carmelo//Harrison Barnes
PF – Favors/K. Love
C – Brook Lopez/A Varejao

Ok, I'm kidding. But about half the proposed lineups on here are this crazy.

I watched Harrington, he can help or hurt. If he hurts, goodbye. If he helps great, he knows how to play and wants to stay in this area. Under Avery and the past circumstances maybe he gets it now, that he's not a major piece to any teams plans and has to play the way he knows how or he's done in the NBA. I do not think we are trading anybody at this point. This is pretty much the team. I hope Zoubek, Uzoh and one of the other young centers, Siler or Donaldson make the 15 man roster.

i hope they dont trade twill either. if he leaves and becomes a star somewhere else, that would hurt alot.

If anything, (and I mean IF anything) sign Al Harrington to a 1-2 year deal, OR get Josh "baby Back Ribs" Boone to come back for a year or two. Then we are set.

How about trading for a GM?

Please don't trade Terrence Williams or Devon Harris. There are surely other options available. I really love Twill and I know he has the potential to be a great guard in the league. Devon.. his numbers speaks for itself.

It definitley is official. We got Morrow!!!!!!! Golden state signed and traded him to us. All we had to give up was a 4 million dollar trade exemption. This is so huge for us...

Playing right away puts a lot of pressure on Favors to perform well. I rather he take his time like Dwight is. Focus on doing one thing at a time (first it was Dwight's rebounding/positioning, then strength, then defense help, now offense). Don't just throw him out there and say "figure it out." Besides, him starting vs him getting minutes is completely different. After all, Jarrod Collins would start for Phx, but get like 9-12 minutes of burn.

I would love to shock the world and shut all the people up who like to use our team as a punch line... Go Nets!!!!!!!

FAVORS is the starting power forward! the WORST thing we could do is bury Favors in the rotation beneath some vet with no long term place on the team. Play the youngsters a la OKC. That means Harris, TWill, Outlaw, Favors and Lopez start. In 2011, with a year of internal development, another draft pick and some cap space, we can revisit the roster. Just let them play for now! It does us no good at all to have Favors if we don't play him heavy minutes to accelerate his learning curve.

Yup, lets get it on and shock the world, GO NETS!!!!!!

We need to relax guys. No more wheeling and dealing till we see what our guys can do. If we don't have 12 wins by mid December than you know we gotta be the front runners for trade talks. Don't give up on Favors yet. Twill wasn't the right PG to make Favors look good. Harris can make him a beast with his lobs. Let Marrow be the last addition and lets go 2 WAR cause I'm ready. LETS GO NETS!!!

Haslem is out, Morrow is in. Haslem greed to go back to the Heat. Sounds like Jerry Stackhouse is going to go to.

I really hate Miami right now.

Warriors aren't going to match on Morrow. They're looking at a sign and trade, and "expect an offer of some significance".

As for the PF. Maybe we can find somebody in Europe to bring in for a one or two year deal on the cheap. Sounds like the Knicks have.

@calling all toasters...
As I said. I don't love the idea of the trade at all. I think we need to stick to our core of Favors, Harris, and Brook.

No offense to anybody but Minnesota is not trading a white guy who can play.

@JDoc-- I love Love, but we'd suffer with the lack of interior defense. Horford would help, but there's no guarantee we'd get him.

If we're desperate.

D-Harris and D-Favors for Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio.

Farmar starts this year. Rubio in the future. Sure we lose out on Favors, but I'll take this starting 5 with a butt load of cap space for 2011.

PG - Rubio/Farmar
SG - C-Lee/T-Will/A-Morrow
SF - Outlaw/T-Will/C-Lee/James
PF - Kevin Love
C - Brook Lopez/Petro

A butt load of cap space. Add Al Horford. Draft a SF. Maybe land the big chip in Melo.

That's a competitive team with a lot of options. I'm not saying we should trade. I kind of like where we're at, and the gambler in me wants to see what kind of man-child Favors turns into.

But, if we had to. That's a scenario I could really see paying off.

@fro;
I smell somebody or somebodies getting traded. I have a feeling T-Will is going to be sent packing. Thorn will take care of all family business before he leaves. Everybody who crossed or upset Thorn is gone, except for T-Will. T-Will and Avery Johnson won't last 2 weeks together.

Hump, Favors, DJames, Petro, Outlaw and Brook can't share 96 minutes in the post? We're fine as we are right now. I feel like any one of the guys can contribute...in fact, does anyone think that right now we're a bit...TOO deep? We're going to have idle players who are capable, but are playing behind other people. I have a feeling players like Morrow and CLee won't be getting amounts of time because we have only have certain amount of minutes. I smell a 11-man rotation right now.

Harris for Granger is a bad idea, made worse by the idea that we would have to throw in players and/or picks.
1) Harris has been basically equal to Granger as a player through their first 6 seasons.
2) They are the same age.
3) The Nets would have only Farmar at PG while they would have Granger, Outlaw, DJames, and Ross at SF. TWill is not being considered for the PG job. I think that's correct, he's too sloppy to do it consistently. I would play him at SF, except that would give us 4 of them.
4) In a year or two DJames is likely to be good enough to start. I don't think anyone believes that about Farmar.
5) Harris works exceptionally well with Brook and Avery.

On the other side is:
1) Even with Morrow, we still need shooters.
That's just not enough.

@hbj725
Oh god NO. Neither of those players could handle PF on a regular basis. I'd rather play Humphries there , easily.

Food for thought: a few years ago, the suns made it to the western conference finals with shaw marion at the 4 spot. If we cannot get a quality PF, then i believe avery should look into playing either outlaw or james there. They have both had experience at the PF position. Yes we would get hurt some nights on the defensive end at that position, but think about it, what PF could guard them? Both are fast, athletic, and can shoot the outside shot. They could give other PF's nightmares. If Orlando can get away with playing Rashard Lewis at PF as weak of a defender and rebounder as he is, then why couldnt we do the same? It's just a thought...

@ whozgotnext- No, the picks are lottery protected. I believe one of the years it is 1-11 protected. But if we want their pick next year, we need them to make the playoffs.

I thought the Golden State pick was only protected 1-7, and then 1-7 in 2012, and 1-6 in 2013.

We actually want the Warriors to miss the playoffs, but not by so much (or get so lucky) that they end up picking in the top 7.

I like the idea of reviving the Harris for Granger trade. I'd even throw in next years number one to make it happen.
The three million we add to the cap goes away when we dump Humpries.
I don't see Melo signing with us before the Knicks, but we might have the assets to go after CP3 in a year or two.
TWill's value can only go up if he plays PG, cause he's not going to learn to shoot it anytime soon.

@Patrick

Al Harrigton wouldn't be terrible if he comes in for a couple of years and at a cheap price. He did shoot the ball well the last few years. But the guy can't rebound for sheet , so I dunno.

And with adding Harrington for just this year, that would move us closer to the playoffs this year...

If we were to venture into messing with al harrington, I say over pay him for one year. I dont care if we gave him 11-12 mill for one year. That way, in 2011, his money comes off of our cap, so does humphries, and we can have 14-15 mill of free cap space next year just from those 2 players. Al Harrington would do it. It's a lot of money. And I believe he is from Jersey...

They are not going to trade anyone for a PF, that is not going to happen. Avery Johnson already said they are planning on having Favors in the starting lineup before the end of the season. With the amount of youth on the roster, trading TWill for a 1 year rental at PF is just plain dumb. Look for them to add a veteran PF that won't break the bank and take early season pressure off Favors

Sebastian...i know we're loaded with wings, but isn't trading CLee a bit premature? Our team had no direction last year and he never pouted for one second. He just played and tried to get better. He's the type of player who can do a lot better with the new direction this team will actually have this year. Is it bad that we have all these talented wings?? i like the idea of the poster above to save our assets for a trade down the line--probably later this year.

I say save the money.. we can use it next year, or use it as trade bait by the Feb. deadline.

If Scola would take most of our 14 million in cap space doesn't it make sense to offer short term deals to Mahimni or Harrington? Both are better than Humphries who's a gonner next year. Mahimni is unproven so there is risk but he's hungry and when given time he's played pretty well.
Harrington could be the stretch 4 we need to free up Brook. Al can do everything and his game compliments Favors, so paired together they might work. And Harrington should be very gettable. Thoughts?

I'm greedy, but I want Scola. Reading the comments here have made me feel a little bit more confident about Favors and Humphries holding down he four spot, but I still want Scola.

That is all.

@hbj

yep. same with last year, we were hoping they made the playoffs as the 8th seed. And i think we have one more year of hoping before it turns into two second round picks.

Never mind, i just googled it and saw it is from the marcus williams trade. However, it is lottery protected. If they dont make the playoffs next year, we dont get the pick. So we are pulling for golden state to make the playoffs...

I saw someone post that we have golden states #1 pick next year. Can someone please fill me in on how that cam about?

Unless we are getting a superstar, I dont want to see any of our guys traded...

I'd be very disappointed to see TWill traded. Especially for a stop-gap power forward.

I think that everyone - management included - needs to keep in mind that there are worse fates for this team than missing the playoffs for one more season while continuing to develop the kids.

Lopez, Favors, TWill, Damion James, Lee, and Outlaw with a year under Avery, along with Harris and cap space for trades, and the potential for two 2011 lottery picks is a pretty good scenario.

Draft well, and make one decent trade, and you walk into Brooklyn as a rising power in the East, no?

For this year, keep your powder dry, find a veteran PF with 20 minutes a night in his legs who can help Favors in his development, and go small when necessary.

A better way at looking at this all is that the nets are collecting assets for future transactions. They can play Outlaw at the four to inflate his minutes and stats and allowing more minutes for the other wings and twos establishing value throughout their roster.

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The Nets are simply putting together a very deep talented team that has options to do whatever they want in the future. -
No player on this team has an untradeable contract, and coupled with another player of high value compared to his contract could return a prize.
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For instance, depending on how good Devin and Outlaw play the Nets could trade (in a couple months) Travis Outlaw, Devin Harris, and the warriors first round pick next year for Danny Granger. It's not inconceivable--the pacers would get back a capable athletic wing an Allstar point guard and future first round pick.
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Another example, if the Atlanta Hawks fall apart next season (very possible that they will unless they upgrade their point guard position) two things will happen. Joe Johnson's monster contract will begin to look Elton Brandishly horrible.
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And with the Hawks already cheap and way over the cap they will look to blow up their team. Obviously they would look to rid themselves from Johnsons contract... probably not feasible. Actually, even if Joe johnson puts up similar numbers and effort from last season, he his still quite untradeable. That contract is horrible.
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Anyway, so the Hawks probably could not trade Johnson, but they need to get under the cap. They would entertain the idea of trading their second highest paid player, Josh Smith. If this is the case, the Nets will be a very big player in this. Not only could the Nets offer both relief to the Hawks but they could still send back talent.
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There are many situations like this in the NBA and the Nets know it. With the nets accumulating assets (signing these players the last week) they are actually giving themselves options to make trades down the road.
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Here is a list of players the Nets have their eyes on:

Chris Paul- HOF all star point
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Carmelo Anthony- HOF best scorer in league
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Danny Granger- versatile scorer
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Rashard Lewis- contract expires when CP3s does="decision" 2013
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Josh Smith- contract overlaps CP3s one year (till 2014)=not good
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Joakim Noah- free agent next year and cheap owners=potential trade if owner and Noah are discontent
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Marc Gasol- (see Noah, Joakim)and also Memphis just signed a max to Gay. They may have no money left next year.
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Ricky Rubio-doesn't want to play in Minny.
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Jeff Green-free agent next year. OK may need to trade before he demands MAX. Either way, Durant would be unhappy about Green leaving.
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Andre Igoudala-horrible contract. capable player
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Steve Nash-may want out if they cant win. Free agent after next season=CP3 decision 2013
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Greg Oden-injured. injury prone. free agent next year.
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Carl Landry-cheap contract (this year @ 3mil) productive and free agent next year. Will get overpaid regardless if he is traded before then or not.
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Andrei Kirilenk-Russian with great defense=appeases Nets coach and owner. Free agent after season.
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Brandon Bass- wants out, great player, great contract. Could be dealt with Rashard Lewis...
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There are many many other players the Nets have their eyes on. But its not always about skill. Its about tradeable assets and contracts too and making sure they are putting themselves in a position to make a move in the future. This is what the Nets current roster feels like to me. It feels like options for the future.

I think the big question is…
Does Net management still believe it’s better to be bad then be a marginal playoff team?
If we want to compete now we need a PF. Should we use our assets (T-Will/C.Lee?) in acquiring one or should we just finish in the lottery, save our ammo and wait for Favors to mature?
Tough call…

Oh and to trade TWill would be a travesty, no way. CLee is the trade bait IMO.