Jordan Farmar & The Nets’ Roster Moving Forward
by Sebastian Pruiti
Jul 12, 2010 2010 Offseason, Jordan Farmar
So the Farmar deal has been confirmed by just about everybody, so I will talk about it a little more in depth than I did last night. At just 23, Jordan Farmar already has four years of NBA experience, and that experience has been with a championship team in the Lakers. In LA, Farmar was more of a shoot first style point guard, but I am interested/excited in seeing him running a team outside the triangle offense.
As I said yesterday, this is just another move in a series of move in where the Nets are adding capable athletes who can impact the game on the defensive end just as much as the offensive end (Morrow is the exception…he’s a shooter and that is all he can do right now). Farmar isn’t a lock down defender by any means, but he is quick and athletic, and with Avery Johnson coaching, that should be enough to make him a good defender.
So with the Farmar signing at $12 million for three years, the Nets have around $15.5 million in cap space:
(It should be noted that NetsDaily has them at 14.5 million left. The actual number is probably somewhere in between)
So after the Farmar signing the Nets have right around $15.5 million left in cap space. The Nets have now done a pretty good job of filling all of their holes except for the one that was the most glaring, a starting-caliber power forward. With Dallas offering Haslam a ton of money (more than the Nets probably were looking to offer), the only option that seems to be left is trying to pry away Luis Scola from the Houston Rockets. However the fact that it might take the rest of their cap space to actually get it done, means that it probably won’t happen (remember, the Nets are hoping to keep around $5 to $10 million for in season/next summer acquisitions). So what does that leave us? The option of the trade.
Now there are two directions the Nets might be going in based on their roster moves. The first would involve trading Devin and maybe some picks to a team needing a point guard for a power forward. I personally think this is the least likely of the two options, but Jordan Farmar’s reason for leaving the Lakers is because he wants to be the starter somewhere. Obviously he isn’t going to beat out Devin, but if Devin is traded, Farmar is the starter and the Nets can use Terrence Williams to back him up. It’s plausible.
The second direction can go in (and the one that I think will end up happening…just a gut feeling) is that the Nets will trade a combination of one or two of their wings, some picks, and maybe even some cash for a starting Power Forward. The Nets have six wings on their rosters, and out of all of them, only two of them are eligible to be traded (you must wait a certain amount of time before trading recent signings and players who came over in trades) and those two are Terrence Williams and Courtney Lee. Williams is probably the one that is more likely to be traded, just because he has more value and can be traded just on his own (with some picks) for a power forward. Courtney Lee has lost his value and the Nets would probably have to include some things to get a power forward with him in the deal.
So moving forward the Nets will probably be exploring the trade market rather than the free agent market when looking for their power forward. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens.
July 12th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Sebastian in the case of a trade: Which Power forward could arrive in NJ?
July 12th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Oh no. Please don’t trade Terrance Williams. He’s the one guy on the team who I think might (maybe 5% chance) grow into a superstar.
July 12th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
I don’t think that they are going to trade TWill.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
I don’t know if this is allowed on the website but John Schuhmann of NBA.COM has a fairly positive outlook on the Nets moves and future.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/07/11/nets.plan/
July 12th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
I hope that the Nets do not trade for a PF. Let Favors play 30-35 minutes a game and develop with Humphries playing the rest. Favors has all-star potential. The sooner he gets there, the sooner the Nets will be true contenders.
Patience is a virtue in this situation.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
So tell me again, why do the nets need a PF? Didn´t they just drafted Favors as their PF of the future? They should get a veteran pf to back him up and teach him a thing or two, granted. But a starting pf? If they felt that way they should have traded the pick.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
The difference in cap numbers, I believe, is that as soon as the two first rounders are signed, their salaries jump by 20%. NBA rules permit teams to give rookies between 20% less than the CBA-prescibed scale and 20% more. Traditionally, teams pay the 20% bonus. In the case of Favors and James, that amounts to $881,600 additional salary.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Nice analysis Sebastian. I have a gut feeling that Nets management is not that high on T-Will. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is the one traded. T-Will might be too erratic in his play making and personality for this new regime. I like him, so the Nets will probably trade him and I can understand why. We need a good PF unless we intend on being a top lotto team again next year.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
I have to say that there are 2 possibilities for PF. Get a fill in who will be serviceable beyond what Humphries has shown, besides he wasn’t all that bad and might be beter this season. Who is that player thought? If they don’t want to come it’s for a reason. Without doubt unless Favors is a total bust he will be the starting PF of the Nets for the next 10 years. So do you want to be his caddy for a half of a season then sit on the bench and see your minutes shrink while he grows….I don’t think any PF in the NBA would want to do that unless he was an old veteran who is at the end of his career and would like one more paycheck before he retires and doesn’t care about a championship, maybe Kurt Thomas. So lets go to war with Humphries and Favors and maybe a guy like Brain Scalabrine as the third PF on the roster in case there is some foul issues. There will be foul issues when Favors will have to face some of the best power forwards in the league for his first 2 seasons. You just want some protection for him so you don’t run out of players. I think if we do have 4 centers it’s possible to use Lopez a few minutes here and there at the PF too. Playing in the East, Favors will get a schooling almost every game and that’s good. Scalabrine is an ex-Net and coming from a winning team like the Celtics will help our bigmen. I’m sure he will be a huge help with the development of them he had to have learned something and maybe he wants to be a coach. He looks like one…LOL….since he’s usually wearing a suit and not dressed to play (double lol)!!!!!.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
no way can we trade Devin harris, our second best player by far for some stop gap PF who we only need until next year when avery johnson predicts that Favors would be ready for the job. i wouldnt trade T will either he has lots of potential and i want to see him as our starting SG. i would definitely tarde C Lee and some picks for the PF. all we need is a CAPABLE PF to allow us to compete we dont need a star. cuz either way Favors still needs to play 20 to 25 mins a night so the guy we get is mostly gonna play like the other 20 to 25 mins.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Gotta keep T.Will. At this point he is the only perimeter player other than Harris that can get his own shot and make a play off the dribble consistently. And starting Farmar (a clear backup) and having T.Will at the point (a SG) isn’t plausible. It is a major step back and a head scratcher. Lee or Morrow (if they get him) will likely have to go. 3’s a crowd.
And what 2nd or 3rd tier PF could they possible trade T.Will for? Charlie Villanueva? Ha.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Williams isnt going anywhere. Thats a bogus idea. It doesn’t make much sense. Terrence is still somewhat of an unknown commodity, meaning, his value and worth might be much higher after this season. He could potentially be an allstar this season. So that lends to three trains of thought here:
1) the nets could trade him before he actually establishes real value
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2) the nets could trade Williams later when his value is much higher
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3) the nets could (should) keep Williams once his value is that high because he is a great player.
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So, unless Terrence is a cancer in the lockerroom they shouldn’t entertain the idea of trading him. And I personally think its a bogus idea.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
I am not in favor fo trading twill. too athletic, too versatile and too talented. But if golden state doesnt match morrow’s offer sheet, then one of these guys has to go. and more than likely it will be twill. especially how good he played in summer league. Maybe the nets played him all of those minutes to advertise him to another team…
July 12th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Also, don’t be surprised if we see d. james play a little at the PF as well. If the nets want to play small sometimes, he would be perfect. He played PF in college and averaging 18 points and 10 rebounds his final season.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Trading TWill for a PF would be a confession that we’re not trying to be a contender, just to be ‘respectable’ right away. We can survive this year with Lopez/Hump/Favors/Petro/live body (although I would feel much better if we had signed Ian Mahinmi instead of Petro). 3 years from now we’ll need to trade away a PF. And then, where are we going to get another like TWill, a 3-position guy who defends well and is comfortable coming off the bench– a guy perfect for our playoff-level team?
July 12th, 2010 at 1:41 PM
I was thinking that too. If we went small James did play PF in college but I can’t see him defensively stopping any descent PF in the NBA. I also have an idea and I really hate the guy but sign Al Harrington to a one year minimum salary with a lot of incentives. If he becomes Al the chucker dump him and fill in with someone else, if he plays the way I have seen him then he would be a good addition. The issue with Al is who is going to show up and on what day. He’s a low risk medium reward signing. I don’t think after what he did as a Knick he will get much interest, he was a disaster. Which is a shame because I have seen him play at an all star level in all facets of the game when he wants to, including defense. Then the next game he turns into some type of Mr. Hyde from his Dr. Jekyll the night before.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Oh and to trade TWill would be a travesty, no way. CLee is the trade bait IMO.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
I think the big question is…
Does Net management still believe it’s better to be bad then be a marginal playoff team?
If we want to compete now we need a PF. Should we use our assets (T-Will/C.Lee?) in acquiring one or should we just finish in the lottery, save our ammo and wait for Favors to mature?
Tough call…
July 12th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
A better way at looking at this all is that the nets are collecting assets for future transactions. They can play Outlaw at the four to inflate his minutes and stats and allowing more minutes for the other wings and twos establishing value throughout their roster.
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The Nets are simply putting together a very deep talented team that has options to do whatever they want in the future. -
No player on this team has an untradeable contract, and coupled with another player of high value compared to his contract could return a prize.
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For instance, depending on how good Devin and Outlaw play the Nets could trade (in a couple months) Travis Outlaw, Devin Harris, and the warriors first round pick next year for Danny Granger. It’s not inconceivable–the pacers would get back a capable athletic wing an Allstar point guard and future first round pick.
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Another example, if the Atlanta Hawks fall apart next season (very possible that they will unless they upgrade their point guard position) two things will happen. Joe Johnson’s monster contract will begin to look Elton Brandishly horrible.
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And with the Hawks already cheap and way over the cap they will look to blow up their team. Obviously they would look to rid themselves from Johnsons contract… probably not feasible. Actually, even if Joe johnson puts up similar numbers and effort from last season, he his still quite untradeable. That contract is horrible.
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Anyway, so the Hawks probably could not trade Johnson, but they need to get under the cap. They would entertain the idea of trading their second highest paid player, Josh Smith. If this is the case, the Nets will be a very big player in this. Not only could the Nets offer both relief to the Hawks but they could still send back talent.
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There are many situations like this in the NBA and the Nets know it. With the nets accumulating assets (signing these players the last week) they are actually giving themselves options to make trades down the road.
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Here is a list of players the Nets have their eyes on:
Chris Paul- HOF all star point
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Carmelo Anthony- HOF best scorer in league
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Danny Granger- versatile scorer
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Rashard Lewis- contract expires when CP3s does=”decision” 2013
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Josh Smith- contract overlaps CP3s one year (till 2014)=not good
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Joakim Noah- free agent next year and cheap owners=potential trade if owner and Noah are discontent
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Marc Gasol- (see Noah, Joakim)and also Memphis just signed a max to Gay. They may have no money left next year.
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Ricky Rubio-doesn’t want to play in Minny.
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Jeff Green-free agent next year. OK may need to trade before he demands MAX. Either way, Durant would be unhappy about Green leaving.
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Andre Igoudala-horrible contract. capable player
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Steve Nash-may want out if they cant win. Free agent after next season=CP3 decision 2013
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Greg Oden-injured. injury prone. free agent next year.
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Carl Landry-cheap contract (this year @ 3mil) productive and free agent next year. Will get overpaid regardless if he is traded before then or not.
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Andrei Kirilenk-Russian with great defense=appeases Nets coach and owner. Free agent after season.
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Brandon Bass- wants out, great player, great contract. Could be dealt with Rashard Lewis…
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There are many many other players the Nets have their eyes on. But its not always about skill. Its about tradeable assets and contracts too and making sure they are putting themselves in a position to make a move in the future. This is what the Nets current roster feels like to me. It feels like options for the future.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I’d be very disappointed to see TWill traded. Especially for a stop-gap power forward.
I think that everyone – management included – needs to keep in mind that there are worse fates for this team than missing the playoffs for one more season while continuing to develop the kids.
Lopez, Favors, TWill, Damion James, Lee, and Outlaw with a year under Avery, along with Harris and cap space for trades, and the potential for two 2011 lottery picks is a pretty good scenario.
Draft well, and make one decent trade, and you walk into Brooklyn as a rising power in the East, no?
For this year, keep your powder dry, find a veteran PF with 20 minutes a night in his legs who can help Favors in his development, and go small when necessary.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Unless we are getting a superstar, I dont want to see any of our guys traded…
July 12th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
I saw someone post that we have golden states #1 pick next year. Can someone please fill me in on how that cam about?
July 12th, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Never mind, i just googled it and saw it is from the marcus williams trade. However, it is lottery protected. If they dont make the playoffs next year, we dont get the pick. So we are pulling for golden state to make the playoffs…
July 12th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
@hbj
yep. same with last year, we were hoping they made the playoffs as the 8th seed. And i think we have one more year of hoping before it turns into two second round picks.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:22 PM
I’m greedy, but I want Scola. Reading the comments here have made me feel a little bit more confident about Favors and Humphries holding down he four spot, but I still want Scola.
That is all.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
If Scola would take most of our 14 million in cap space doesn’t it make sense to offer short term deals to Mahimni or Harrington? Both are better than Humphries who’s a gonner next year. Mahimni is unproven so there is risk but he’s hungry and when given time he’s played pretty well.
Harrington could be the stretch 4 we need to free up Brook. Al can do everything and his game compliments Favors, so paired together they might work. And Harrington should be very gettable. Thoughts?
July 12th, 2010 at 2:33 PM
I say save the money.. we can use it next year, or use it as trade bait by the Feb. deadline.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Sebastian…i know we’re loaded with wings, but isn’t trading CLee a bit premature? Our team had no direction last year and he never pouted for one second. He just played and tried to get better. He’s the type of player who can do a lot better with the new direction this team will actually have this year. Is it bad that we have all these talented wings?? i like the idea of the poster above to save our assets for a trade down the line–probably later this year.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
They are not going to trade anyone for a PF, that is not going to happen. Avery Johnson already said they are planning on having Favors in the starting lineup before the end of the season. With the amount of youth on the roster, trading TWill for a 1 year rental at PF is just plain dumb. Look for them to add a veteran PF that won’t break the bank and take early season pressure off Favors
July 12th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
If we were to venture into messing with al harrington, I say over pay him for one year. I dont care if we gave him 11-12 mill for one year. That way, in 2011, his money comes off of our cap, so does humphries, and we can have 14-15 mill of free cap space next year just from those 2 players. Al Harrington would do it. It’s a lot of money. And I believe he is from Jersey…
July 12th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
And with adding Harrington for just this year, that would move us closer to the playoffs this year…
July 12th, 2010 at 3:04 PM
@Patrick
Al Harrigton wouldn’t be terrible if he comes in for a couple of years and at a cheap price. He did shoot the ball well the last few years. But the guy can’t rebound for sheet , so I dunno.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
I like the idea of reviving the Harris for Granger trade. I’d even throw in next years number one to make it happen.
The three million we add to the cap goes away when we dump Humpries.
I don’t see Melo signing with us before the Knicks, but we might have the assets to go after CP3 in a year or two.
TWill’s value can only go up if he plays PG, cause he’s not going to learn to shoot it anytime soon.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
I thought the Golden State pick was only protected 1-7, and then 1-7 in 2012, and 1-6 in 2013.
We actually want the Warriors to miss the playoffs, but not by so much (or get so lucky) that they end up picking in the top 7.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:39 PM
@ whozgotnext- No, the picks are lottery protected. I believe one of the years it is 1-11 protected. But if we want their pick next year, we need them to make the playoffs.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Food for thought: a few years ago, the suns made it to the western conference finals with shaw marion at the 4 spot. If we cannot get a quality PF, then i believe avery should look into playing either outlaw or james there. They have both had experience at the PF position. Yes we would get hurt some nights on the defensive end at that position, but think about it, what PF could guard them? Both are fast, athletic, and can shoot the outside shot. They could give other PF’s nightmares. If Orlando can get away with playing Rashard Lewis at PF as weak of a defender and rebounder as he is, then why couldnt we do the same? It’s just a thought…
July 12th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
@hbj725
Oh god NO. Neither of those players could handle PF on a regular basis. I’d rather play Humphries there , easily.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Harris for Granger is a bad idea, made worse by the idea that we would have to throw in players and/or picks.
1) Harris has been basically equal to Granger as a player through their first 6 seasons.
2) They are the same age.
3) The Nets would have only Farmar at PG while they would have Granger, Outlaw, DJames, and Ross at SF. TWill is not being considered for the PG job. I think that’s correct, he’s too sloppy to do it consistently. I would play him at SF, except that would give us 4 of them.
4) In a year or two DJames is likely to be good enough to start. I don’t think anyone believes that about Farmar.
5) Harris works exceptionally well with Brook and Avery.
On the other side is:
1) Even with Morrow, we still need shooters.
That’s just not enough.
July 12th, 2010 at 3:57 PM
Hump, Favors, DJames, Petro, Outlaw and Brook can’t share 96 minutes in the post? We’re fine as we are right now. I feel like any one of the guys can contribute…in fact, does anyone think that right now we’re a bit…TOO deep? We’re going to have idle players who are capable, but are playing behind other people. I have a feeling players like Morrow and CLee won’t be getting amounts of time because we have only have certain amount of minutes. I smell a 11-man rotation right now.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:12 PM
@fro;
I smell somebody or somebodies getting traded. I have a feeling T-Will is going to be sent packing. Thorn will take care of all family business before he leaves. Everybody who crossed or upset Thorn is gone, except for T-Will. T-Will and Avery Johnson won’t last 2 weeks together.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:14 PM
If we’re desperate.
D-Harris and D-Favors for Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio.
Farmar starts this year. Rubio in the future. Sure we lose out on Favors, but I’ll take this starting 5 with a butt load of cap space for 2011.
PG – Rubio/Farmar
SG – C-Lee/T-Will/A-Morrow
SF – Outlaw/T-Will/C-Lee/James
PF – Kevin Love
C – Brook Lopez/Petro
A butt load of cap space. Add Al Horford. Draft a SF. Maybe land the big chip in Melo.
That’s a competitive team with a lot of options. I’m not saying we should trade. I kind of like where we’re at, and the gambler in me wants to see what kind of man-child Favors turns into.
But, if we had to. That’s a scenario I could really see paying off.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:18 PM
@JDoc– I love Love, but we’d suffer with the lack of interior defense. Horford would help, but there’s no guarantee we’d get him.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:20 PM
No offense to anybody but Minnesota is not trading a white guy who can play.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:43 PM
Haslem is out, Morrow is in. Haslem greed to go back to the Heat. Sounds like Jerry Stackhouse is going to go to.
I really hate Miami right now.
Warriors aren’t going to match on Morrow. They’re looking at a sign and trade, and “expect an offer of some significance”.
As for the PF. Maybe we can find somebody in Europe to bring in for a one or two year deal on the cheap. Sounds like the Knicks have.
@calling all toasters…
As I said. I don’t love the idea of the trade at all. I think we need to stick to our core of Favors, Harris, and Brook.
July 12th, 2010 at 5:12 PM
We need to relax guys. No more wheeling and dealing till we see what our guys can do. If we don’t have 12 wins by mid December than you know we gotta be the front runners for trade talks. Don’t give up on Favors yet. Twill wasn’t the right PG to make Favors look good. Harris can make him a beast with his lobs. Let Marrow be the last addition and lets go 2 WAR cause I’m ready. LETS GO NETS!!!
July 12th, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Yup, lets get it on and shock the world, GO NETS!!!!!!
July 12th, 2010 at 7:51 PM
FAVORS is the starting power forward! the WORST thing we could do is bury Favors in the rotation beneath some vet with no long term place on the team. Play the youngsters a la OKC. That means Harris, TWill, Outlaw, Favors and Lopez start. In 2011, with a year of internal development, another draft pick and some cap space, we can revisit the roster. Just let them play for now! It does us no good at all to have Favors if we don’t play him heavy minutes to accelerate his learning curve.
July 12th, 2010 at 7:58 PM
I would love to shock the world and shut all the people up who like to use our team as a punch line… Go Nets!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Playing right away puts a lot of pressure on Favors to perform well. I rather he take his time like Dwight is. Focus on doing one thing at a time (first it was Dwight’s rebounding/positioning, then strength, then defense help, now offense). Don’t just throw him out there and say “figure it out.” Besides, him starting vs him getting minutes is completely different. After all, Jarrod Collins would start for Phx, but get like 9-12 minutes of burn.
July 12th, 2010 at 8:11 PM
It definitley is official. We got Morrow!!!!!!! Golden state signed and traded him to us. All we had to give up was a 4 million dollar trade exemption. This is so huge for us…
July 12th, 2010 at 8:15 PM
Please don’t trade Terrence Williams or Devon Harris. There are surely other options available. I really love Twill and I know he has the potential to be a great guard in the league. Devon.. his numbers speaks for itself.
July 12th, 2010 at 8:38 PM
If anything, (and I mean IF anything) sign Al Harrington to a 1-2 year deal, OR get Josh “baby Back Ribs” Boone to come back for a year or two. Then we are set.
How about trading for a GM?
July 12th, 2010 at 8:40 PM
i hope they dont trade twill either. if he leaves and becomes a star somewhere else, that would hurt alot.
July 12th, 2010 at 8:40 PM
i hope they dont trade twill either. if he leaves and becomes a star somewhere else, that would hurt alot.
July 12th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
I watched Harrington, he can help or hurt. If he hurts, goodbye. If he helps great, he knows how to play and wants to stay in this area. Under Avery and the past circumstances maybe he gets it now, that he’s not a major piece to any teams plans and has to play the way he knows how or he’s done in the NBA. I do not think we are trading anybody at this point. This is pretty much the team. I hope Zoubek, Uzoh and one of the other young centers, Siler or Donaldson make the 15 man roster.
July 12th, 2010 at 10:23 PM
I think for 2011-12, our lineup can look like this:
PG – C. Paul/Farmar
SG – M. Redd/T-Will/
SF – Carmelo//Harrison Barnes
PF – Favors/K. Love
C – Brook Lopez/A Varejao
Ok, I’m kidding. But about half the proposed lineups on here are this crazy.
July 13th, 2010 at 1:45 AM
OK lets get serious and look at our line up NOW. Not some make believe in the future if the stars align correctly and magic happens..LOL. We have a solid young veteran team. The starting lineup of Harris, CLee, Outlaw, Humphries and Lopez is not that bad. We know Favors will see time, figure 5-10 minutes and slowly grow until by the end of the season he should be getting the lions share at 30+. Having Morrow, TWill, Johan, James, Farmar possibly Zoubek off the bench is not too shabby either. So maybe our starting 5 is not the best in the league but our 12 man roster is pretty good and will go a long way to winning games from the point of less drop-off when the second team is in. Substitutions will not be a recipe for disaster and shrinking leads. We have improved in every facet of that aspect. We no longer have to pray Harris does not get injured nor worry about a huge drop-off when he sits, Farmar will do the job. TWill and Morrow will supply shooting and scoring when Outlaw sits, something we have NEVER had. Johan and hopefully Zoubek will provide much needed backup for Lopez. And I know Favors will be raw but his athleticism will allow him to make plays inside, something we haven’t had since Keyon Martin. He will alter a lot of shots and change the way teams attack the paint. On the offensive end he will score on put backs because of his rebounding ability. Avery Johnson will demand defense and unselfish play, that alone will make this team steal away a few wins here and there and those add up. I have the feeling we can squeeze in to the last seed if we stay healthy and some players make strides to improve and they will or Johnson will get rid of them. Who needs dead wood, we have enough of that for the past few years. There are 8 seeds, looking at last season’s standings I can see a few teams have gotten better and just as many have gotten much worse. The Knicks have improved, but to make the playoffs, maybe, maybe not. The Cavs will stink forget them. The 4 teams on the top are the Celtics, Magic and the Bulls, of course Miami has to be included but you never know. The Bucks have to stay healthy or they might not make it. Atlanta and the Bobcats are question marks because the quality of the competition has improved, can they even have as good a record as they did, maybe not. So we might be able to slip in if Johnson gets these guys to play hard every game, having such a good bench will go a long way to keep everybody fresh. One more player at the PF might just give us that edge we need to make that last seed. I truly believe it’s possible and some playoff experience will go a long way to help this team grow. It’s all about playing hard, I saw too many teams lay down and die in the playoffs(the cavs for sure did). They were beaten mentally and physically and just gave up. That I HOPE will never happen again to an Avery Johnson coached team. I know it seemed that way one season with his Dallas team. Go Nets!!!!
July 13th, 2010 at 2:24 AM
@Mike I disagree I think the nets are very high on T Will maybe not so much any longer on C Lee.
Well since the nets have messed acquiring a started through free agnecy. I’d rather start Favours and if this is a total disaster revisit the matter mid season. Seems like a better idea then giving up a player like Terrance Williams right now.
July 13th, 2010 at 2:26 AM
I think people will be surprise by how good Favours might do. And how he might be quite an upgrade over Yi at times.
July 13th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
hold on a sec here: 1. Give Favors some credit, he will the franchise in a few years. He will be on the same level as Dwight Howard.
2. If we would have gotten John Wall then i would have said trade Devin to Indiana for Danny Granger. But since we did not, Devin should not be traded. Devin is a top 10 PG talent. You keep him
3. Twill, despite what anyone may think has the potential to be a superstar. He puts up superstar #s once in a while with his triple doubles. Name 1 second year player that has the ability to put up triple doubles. Name me one?
Make a run for scola if you cant get him, then u develop favors. he will have to grow up much faster thats all. Oh yea get Al harrington too.
July 13th, 2010 at 4:59 PM
How bout Tyreke Evans Blaze?
July 13th, 2010 at 6:54 PM
Well i dont know how many triple doubles Tyreke recorded last year but Tyreke Evans does have that ability to put em up, he was rookie of the year and many project him to be an all star. Twill, i believe posted more triple doubles than Tyreke, has the same potential as tyreke so why would people not think he has all star ability? My point is when you are a rookie and put up #s like this: 27 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists, why would you want to trade that?
July 13th, 2010 at 7:32 PM
Just a small aside. Tyreke is harder to coach than Twill. By far.
July 14th, 2010 at 12:40 AM
Hey I happen to like TWill, but only as a PG. He can max out his value there, and hide his shortcomings as a shooter.
But I think you’re wrong about Favors and Harris.
Harris played awful last year, and even two years ago at his peak he wasn’t a great distributor.
And there were at least a half a dozen second or first year PF’s that player better than Favors in Summer League.
I think Seraphin will have a better career than Favors.
July 14th, 2010 at 8:47 AM
Oh my goodness. are you ******* me. Why would you trade the one bright spot for a PF that you don’t anticipated to even be in the future plans. C. LEE is a bust as far at the Nets are concerned. I say play him and see what happens either he continues on the downward spiral of poor play and we release him or he steps up and we trade him. but trading Williams for a dude that is with out a doubt not going to be in our future plans with Favors being there is foolish. unless they are planning on trading Favors. Move Willams over to the Two and let him grow. If you are to trade any one and i don’t think you can let it be D. Harris you can sell a team on the fact that he didn’t work in our system but he is worth what we want. And i’m sorry Kris Hump was not that good.. I don’t give points for trying hard..
July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 AM
ok.Trad Devin Harris a future next years first rounder and cash for Chris Paul. With Paul Lopez an Favors granted 30 plus minutes. Paul will have our twin towers in allstar form in six months. Granted the gm is reading this comment
July 27th, 2010 at 1:44 AM
our lineup should look like this
1)chris paul/jordan farmar
2)anthony morrow/courtney lee
3)carmelo anthony/damion jones
4)derrick favors/chris humphries
5)brook lopez/petro
If we can trade devin harris a future first round pick and cash and or Terrence Williams while his stock is HIGH for chris paul. Carmelo Anthony will follow. trust me!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW THATS A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM PERION. START MAKING THOSE CALLS TO CHARLOTTE NOW! MR. KING