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The Rod Thorn Years

With tomorrow expected to be Rod Thorn’s last day with the Nets organization before he either edges into retirement or finds another job in this league, I thought it would be appropriate to relive the highs and lows of his tenure with the organization. It was undoubtedly a roller coaster with Thorn, who was the NBA’s executive of the year in 2002 while the organization found itself in back-to-back Finals before vying for the worst record of all-time in the latter stages of his time here. For the sake of avoiding arguments, I’m not going to rank these highs and lows – but feel free to use the comments section to dispute or arrange what I’ve put down.

The Highs

1.  The Nets Acquire Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury (7/18/01): This is an obvious choice and if I was ranking, would have been the #1 choice without question. For those who subscribe to the “In Thorn We Trust” mantra, this deal was probably the driving force behind your philosophy. When the Nets shipped Marbury for Kidd the initial hope was that a change of scenery may help Kidd, who was dealing with some off-the-court issues that led to his ouster from Phoenix, despite being a triple-double machine. Kidd made his legacy in New Jersey, and brought the team to back-to-back trips to the NBA Finals, in addition to consistent playoff berths for the next six years. His tenure didn’t end on the highest note, especially with “migraine-gate” and his demanding of a trade, but if Thorn and his braintrust don’t trust their gut and take a chance on Kidd, the Nets would probably be more irrelevant than the LA Clippers.

2. The Nets Acquire Devin Harris and others for Jason Kidd and others (2/19/08): See what I did here? While trading your franchise player is difficult, Thorn and Co. made the best of a bad situation. With Kidd forcing his hand, and a deal with Dallas already falling through, Thorn stuck with it, and took advantage of Mark Cuban who was desperate to acquire Kidd. In his first full season in New Jersey, Devin Harris played like an all-star and he was rewarded as such that February. If he had maintained that high level of play through 2009-10, the trade would look even more lop-sided than it already is. Yes, Kidd is a great player and has fit in well with Dallas… but he was brought in to lead the team to an NBA Championship. Yet Dallas continues to sputter in the postseason while Harris gives the Nets a legitimate, if not oft-injured, building block.

3. The Nets Draft Brook Lopez (6/26/08): The draft has always been a dicey proposition for Rod Thorn and his braintrust. Some of the criticism is warranted (the 2005 draft of Antoine Wright and Mile Ilic), and some of it is a reach (getting Marcus Williams and Josh Boone late in the first round in 2006 seemed like good value). However, even Thorn couldn’t screw up the 2008 Draft when Brook Lopez, a legitimate big man with a polished post game, fell into the organization’s laps. You could probably thank Larry Brown for demanding a point guard, but regardless of the circumstances, Lopez may go down as one of the best value lottery picks in the organization’s history.

4. The Nets Acquire Vince Carter from Toronto (12/17/04): Vince Carter maybe eternally reviled in the city of Toronto as a result of this trade, but so be it. The Nets were stuck in a ditch at the beginning of the 2004-05 season, with Kidd being injured, Kenyon Martin being traded the summer before, and the team just look rudderless with guys like Ron Mercer and Eric Williams leading the charge. While I’m not the biggest VC fan in the world, his immediate impact in this season is without question. With Kidd still getting back into groove, Carter single-handedly carried the Nets into the playoffs over the media darling LeBron James-led Cavaliers. Sure the team didn’t make a dent against the Heat, but Carter brought offensive legitimacy back to an organization that had just gone through so much just to establish relevancy a few years before.

5. The Nets Get Three Picks for One (6/27/01): Before Jason Kidd was acquired, Thorn may have made an even more significant move for the organization, exchanging quality and quantity and ultimately getting the best player of the bunch to boot. Seton Hall’s Eddie Griffin oozed talent, and was an easy target for the Nets with the 7th pick, but he had a checkered past, and rather than ride that out, Thorn took an opportunity to get three players who turned out to be Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins and Brandon Armstrong, in exchange for Griffin. Tragically, Griffin would succumb to his demons. Jefferson and Collins would be key players for the Nets going forward. While it be unsettling to celebrate the tragic fall of one player, Thorn has to be acknowledged for reading the tea leaves somewhat on Griffin and making a player for the surer bets in Jefferson and Collins.

The Lows

1.  Del Harris-gate (2/3/10): It what was a season already spiraling out of control, Thorn came out looking clueless and out-of-control of the asylum when it was revealed that GM-turned head coach Kiki Vandeweghe and new assistant coach Del Harris had secretly plotted a transfer of power that would give Harris the head coaching spot with the team while returning Kiki to the GM’s chair. When the plan lost air, Harris abruptly resigned, leaving egg on the organization’s face. The whole situation was a slap in the face to Thorn, but if he was demonstrating actual power as team President, something like this also likely doesn’t transpire.

2. The Nets trade Kenyon Martin (7/15/04): What’s the price of your soul? In this case, it was three draft picks. With new ownership paying more attention to the bottom line and Kenyon Martin, an energetic if not enigmatic player, requesting big money, Thorn and Co. shipped out the heart and soul of the Nets team in a sign and trade with the Denver Nuggets. There are two schools of thought on this: On one hand, Martin would prove to be bad value for Denver, as he’s spent a considerable amount of time rehabbing knee injuries. However, the Nets were essentially waving a white flag to their roster, including, most notably, Jason Kidd, that they were not interested in keeping their Finals-bound core in-tact. The disposal of Martin wasn’t remedied until a few months later when Carter was acquired, but the Nets never got as close to the Finals again without an athletic big man for Kidd to consistently feed for thunderous dunks.

3. The Nets trade Richard Jefferson for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons (6/26/08): While the Knicks did it with more gusto, by trading Jefferson for a major question mark in Yi and a terrible, yet soon-to-be expiring contract in Simmons, the Nets began the gutting of their roster in an effort to woo some of the big free agents in the summer of 2010. With the “Decision” in the books, here’s the fallout: Yi has already been unloaded again in a salary dump, all of the big free agents signed elsewhere, and Jefferson opted out of his contract anyway. Meanwhile, the Nets spent two seasons forcing Yi into a role he wasn’t up to the task of fulfilling. He might have been a hit with the Chinese markets, but he was a bust in the states and the transaction represents a deal that Thorn now has absolutely nothing to show for.

4. The 2005 Draft (6/28/05): As earlier noted, the Nets had struck out on a few drafts during the Thorn era, though none seem to collectively stick in the craw like the 2005 Draft. With the 15th pick, the Nets took Antoine Wright, who was projected by some to be a Top 12 pick. However, Wright’s NBA career has wavered between middling to bust. And considering some of the players picked after him, ie Danny Granger and David Lee, who both went on to be all-stars, it makes the Wright selection that much worse. Of course, the Nets nearly one-upped themselves by taking Mile Ilic with the 43rd pick. The Nets appeared to cover Ilic, hoping he could be their next Eastern European surprise after Nenad Kristic. However, in his brief NBA stint, Ilic appeared to be … uncoordinated … to be nice. One of the biggest faults of the Thorn years was their inability to add to the “Big Three” core once Carter, Kidd and Jefferson were established. Whereas Thorn found nice role players through the draft and free agency earlier in his tenure, the organization struck out in the years following. The 2005 Draft epitomized this.

5. Thorn Resigns (6/25/10): The resignation of Thorn makes this list not because this team needs him to stay to survive, but because of the timing. The Nets had a new owner in Mikhail Prokhorov and a new head coach in Avery Johnson headed into the biggest free agency period in the league’s history, and in the 11th hour, Thorn announced his resignation. While Miami Thrice might have been inevitable even if this didn’t happen, it couldn’t have looked good for the organization’s sales pitch that they were mysteriously losing a vital member of their front office after setting so many other pieces in place. It’s unknown how Thorn’s absence is going to affect this team going forward. But with a rookie owner, a stable presence in the front office was only going to help.

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Biggest mistake was letting Martin go that was what did it for the Nets turning them back to being a joke that they are.best moves were RJ and Kidd.

Rod Thorn's years were solid. We went to the finals. I cared about the NBA. That hadn't happened since Jordan retired.

This summer. I cared again, because of the Proky/Lebron angle.

Looking at the team, Rod left it in great position.

Say what you will about Favors and Yi, and a handful of other moves.

The bottom line is there are a handful of true superstars in the league, and we haven't been in a position to bring them in. If we sucked 7 years ago, maybe Lebron would have won a championship with the Nets and been ours for good. It didn't happen, and we took a solid run at him this year. In the end, he chose to sell out and go carry D-Wade's luggage around Miami.

The two dominant teams in recent years have been the Celtics and Lakers. The Lakers were gifted Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum fell into their lap in the draft. The Celtics had the flexibility of high draft picks and intriguing talent (Al Jefferson), that allowed them to land Ray Allen and KG.

We are in that position. Rod Thorn put us there.

If all the chatter about Danny Granger and Chris Paul comes to fruition it'll be Rod Thorn's development of the team that made it happen. Say we give up Harris and a high pick for Granger. Then we give up Favors, T-Will, and a high pick for Paul, and use our cap space to absorb Okafor's contract.

Then this is what our team looks like.

Chris Paul
Courtney Lee/Morrow
Danny Granger
Emeka Okafor
Brook Lopez

With a solid bench backing them up.

That's a championship team. Success is what happens when prepartion meets opportunity. Rod Thorn has prepared us well for success. Now all we need is the opportunity. Give it time. Just like the trade that brought Kidd to us.

Thorn gave us the Jason Kidd championship contending years. He then pulled the plug when it was no longer sustainable, and within 2 years put us in position to very quickly return to relevance.

He did a great job and now it's up to King to capitalize on those efforts.

The future is bright, and it's picking up steam.

I think Thorn did a good job. It's tough to fault him on the draft picks (or for that matter give him credit for the good ones). It's not like he reached for wright (bad) or for jefferson (good). Some guys work out some don't. One bad decision that maybe should have been higher was holding onto VC too long/ resgining. Could have started rebuilding earlier.

@ javier, i was actually thinking the same thing once we didnt get Rudy Gay. Get Mayo, but then there would be a whole lot of SG's on the team

Thorn did a great job considering the tight purse strings of the past owner. Being a GM is like being the daddy of a dysfunctional family which most sports franchises are. You are dealing with so many different personalties trying to placate each one and improving the team at the same time. The coach wants this player or that player, the owner doesn't want to spend, the players want more money, the fans want a winner, the wives of the players want better and more seats and so on and so on. For anybody who has been management you know what I am talking about. It's a 24 hour a day job. Getting phone calls at 3AM from the owner who's pissed off at something he heard or read, The Boss Steinbrenner was famous for that. So in retrospect no matter what you do it's wrong unless it leads to multiple championships and even then it can get to the what have you done for me now mentality. As the ex coach of the Yankees knows, Joe Torre. It's a thankless job and when there is success you're probably the last guy to get credit, when there's failure all fingers point toward you. Thorn did a great job under the circumstances.

If i was G.M. I would go after O.J mayo. Actually i should be the next gm if king stinks it up.

@Mark;
Fair enough. I will try my best to be on topic. Thanks for your reply.

Mike - I'm not trying to be a dictator here - but save the Cousins/Favors stuff for a thread that's appropriate i.e. something that's focused on Favors and/or when the Kings come to town and play the Nets and you get to see Cousins.

This is a thread about Rod Thorn, not Cousins or Favors. While I appreciate your creativity in turning this into a Cousins/Favors debate - as I said before, it's dubious at best to discuss the pick as part of the best/worst of Thorn when all we have to judge is a couple of meaningless summer games.

I would be doing the same if someone came in here and started writing about what a jerk LeBron James is using the guise that the Nets tried to sign LeBron James. And given your established history on this site regarding Cousins and the complaints we're getting from other posters, I just want it to stop - even if it means publicly calling you in the process.

What does thread-jacking mean? Why is everybody so sensitive about this topic? Well it's your website and you can run it the way you want, so I will never mention Cousins again. And if somebody else does I hope you treat them as nice as you treated me.

You tell him Mark!!! Stop dwelling on the coulda, shoulda, woulda with the Favors/Cousins ordeal. Whats done is done so lets just move forward. Make trades during the season if Favors is really stinking it up. Damn at least give the kid a shot and let AJ and the staff work on him. You do know summer is to just prep for the season so stop crying. The Nets built a team thats gonna stay away from off the court news yet we still have a lot of toughness on the court. Show some patience cause we can only go up from where we were last season.

Please @Mike - stop stirring this Favors/Cousins debate, especially if you're thread-jacking something on this site. Connecting your thoughts on the pick before a single game that counts is played to a column about the highs and lows of a 10-year career is dubious at best. And as one of the site admins, I'm tired of read the same exact person start this debate each time out. So consider this your last warning.

Time waits for no one and it ain't gonna wait for Favors. Just like it didn't wait for Sean Williams or Yi and many NBA players. As for being a Center or PF who cares. When the BPA is out there you take him. And Cousins was the best player and talent by far, better then Turner, Favors and Johnson. And now he's proving it, just like he proved it in college and the pre-draft workouts and summer league, but I know, "it doesn't count". Ten years from now it still won't count, unless of course if Cousins fails and Favors succeeds. Then it will count.
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Lets cut the crap and go after AK-47. Who cares about cap space. Melo doesn't want to come here anyway, just like all those great free agents that smiled then spit in our face, and nobody is going to give us the stud PF of our dreams. Lets start making things happen instead of wishing and waiting for something to happen. Get AK-47 and start the party.

Summer league play does not translate to playing against actual NBA talent. Anthony Randolph was killing in summer league that one time, but he doesn't play like that (yet) in the NBA. Both Cousins and Favors will have great careers and i wouldnt doubt it if both made a few all star appearances. But remember that the arguement has always been that Cousins will be able to contribute right away and Favors will have the higher ceiling and will be the better player in the future. Plus Cousins is a CENTER not a Power Forward, why would we draft a Center when he already have an all star center. at 6'11 and 300 pounds your not a PF. Favors is the prototype of PF. Everyone wants instant success. Its takes time.

After watching last nights game you have to be impressed by Cousins. I wonder if anybody actually watched him play before the draft, including Thorn. Maybe Thorn was too busy watching Wall. Cousins has the most talent of anybody in this years draft and knuclehead organizations like the Sixers, Nets, T-Wolves all passed him up. I will give the Wizards a pass for obvious reasons. It's going to be a tough 10-12 years watching Cousins, a player we should of had, especially if he winds up on the Knicks in a few years, being one of the superstars of this coming decade.
P.S. This is not a knock on Favors. Those knocks will be coming in due time, if Favors don't pan out.

How long until Cousins is eligible for the Hall of Fame? Because I think he's a lock now.

I can understand the Cousins deal. They felt he'd be an NBA center at his weight and lack of athleticism to cover PF's away from the basket , and they already had a center in Brook Lopez.

Thorn will also go down as the man who drafted Michael Jordan but missed out on Demarcus Cousins. What a blunder.

As for Rod Thorn, what can you say. He had a nice run and except for throwing Kiki and Frank under the proverbial bus, he was a class act. I thought his biggest fault was not acquiring a stud PF or even just a competent PF, for years. You can blame Ratner but still it's crazy that we still are looking for a PF after all these years. Good luck Rod.

Yi Jianlian was disappointing. I was one of his biggest fans but like Kiki said often, he just didn't have that "light click on". As for dumping Yi for cap space, the Nets knew the risk and took it. I hope Yi does well but he had his chances and for the most part didn't succeed. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery. Happens all the time.

Yi Jianlian wasn't a bust. Actaully dumping him for nothing to "clear cap" for superstar free agents was the bust on their part. They are paying for it now. They are blowing their "cap" by overpaying backups that will be harder to move. If nothing else Yi Jianlian could have gotten them a very good player back if they played it right , as he'd be a valuable asset to a lot of NBA teams. They blew it.

You should update his resignation paragraph to include that on his way out the door he was part of the team that made some really poor decisions, including:
1. Billy King as GM.
2. Outlaw at $35mm for 5 years
3. Petro at $10mm for 3 years

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