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T-will, Lopez Favors.. = UNTOUCHABLE!

DO NOT TRADE T-will. I'd rather put Favors in the Starting lineup and see what happens than do that.

if any of these trades happen, i will throw up. t-will and lee are the future of the nj nets. instead of thinking about trades that solve a temporary problem, we should begin to look long term. we should be looking to aquire cp3 or danny granger to lead us deep into the playoffs. we screwed up in free agency and are poised for another disastrous season and any of these trades would dig us far deeper in this hole we are currently in. if any of these deals are included in mp's blueprint for success, then i do not want to be a part of this miserable organization any longer. if u want to go 12-70 or even worse again, than these deals would make sense.

No love for Damian James?

Ryan Anderson? theres a reason why he was traded in the first place.

Courtney Lee and Quinton Ross for Brandon Bass

You guys do realize that we do have 4 potential (future)all stars on this team right? Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Terrance Williams, and Derrick Favors

Forget Brandon Bass. Trade Courtney Lee for Ryan Anderson.

Anderson was always better than Lee anyway.

I think we should make a trade for Brandon Bass somehow

I think T will is a gonna be a very good 2 or 3, asking him to play the point is a bit much though if u havent noticed. He needs to develop that jump shot period. C lee is very very expendable. I would go hard after landry. he will definately boost favors development as favors fights for a starting spot mid-season and if he opts out next year, perfect, we go after a true veteran back up for favors. Keep twill; ross is like lee with a more proven jump shot. I thought we should have signed ridnour instead of famar. Humpries is a pretty good player too we are gonna have to start him and showcase him, to trade him.

Um, we traded Vince Carter for Courtney Lee.

Courtney Lee is a tradeable asset. He's part of a package.

Look at the SG's on New Orleans roster. Tell me Courtney Lee wouldn't have value there. They have one SG on the roster in Luther Head, who they don't even want to pay.

While you're at it look at the Pacers roster.

Straight up for Paul or Granger, nope. But you add Devin Harris, and a couple of draft picks, and you can start a conversation.

Sorry, I'm a Yankees fan. I'm not satisfied with just making the playoffs. I want to win. Courtney Lee for Brandon Bass isn't a championship making trade.

Neither has any other guy mentioned. The idea is be patient. You don't trade an asset just because you have one.

You make the smart trade. You play Outlaw/James at the 4 and live with it. You keep asking for Granger and Paul.

If they don't want Lee then we trade T-Will and keep Lee. He's still a good player. But if you trade him away for a rental solution to maybe compete for a fringe playoff spot, then you lose the asset and the flexibility.

It's a bad decision. We can play Outlaw and James at the 4, which opens up minutes at the 3 for T-Will, and Lee.

We know it's a deficient position that needs to be addressed. But, with the wealth of FA Power Forwards available next year, along with the depth of PF in the upcoming draft class, we shouldn't be in any rush.

Again, if we were talking about Tim Duncan or Josh Smith, this would be a different conversation.

We're talking about Taj Gibson. That's a big mistake.

Courtney Lee isn't much of a tradable asset to get an all-star on the team. And they have an excess at SG , so you go ahead and shed that guy now so T.Will and Morrow have a chance to become valuable assets by playing them and the team gets what they need immediately to be a better team - a stop gap PF that can start now before Hump and Favors and possibly be a very good bench player if Favors is the guy after Hump goes.If a guy is only under contract for another year or two and they decide to go elsewhere , so what? You used them exactly as intended. No harm , no foul. There's zero risk involved. They'll likely know whether or not Favors is their guy or not after the first year after being with him all year long. If he is , great. If not ... let him go and start over.

@yoyo

I respectfully disagree. Favors is 2 years away. Troy Murphy and David West are going to be 31 years old next year. They're making about 10 million a year in their prime! So as they hit the back end of their prime you're looking at 7-8 Million a year. If not them, you have a much deeper set of fall backs with Nene, Landry, and Diaw.

On top of that next year's amateur draft is loaded at the PF position.

Favors also isn't any kind of gaurantee. After watching him for a year, we'll know a lot more about how close he is to being a starter. He could end up being Kwame Brown where a guy like David West is that much more valuable.

The bottom line is as West/Murphy turn 32 and 33 years old they're going to be more willing to fade away as Favors runs circles around them. When he's ready to be a dominant big man, those guys will play the team part. They'll still be great back ups, but 33 years old for a big man is a life time. Think of all the banging they've put their bodies through.

Instead you want to trade C-Lee or T-Will for who? Taj Gibson? 1 year of Landry? Brandon Bass?

These aren't difference makers on a championship team. If you're goal is an 8th seed, go ahead and pull the trigger.

My goal is a championship. I say keep the tradeable assets until a true difference maker is available. Pau Gasol, KG, and Shaq were all acquired via trade. Jason Kidd, Vince Carter we received by having tradeable assets.

If we can land Danny Granger, Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, or Josh Smith, then this is a conversation worth having.

For the players you're talking about it's lunacy and panic.

Zach Randolph plays for Memphis and is a FA next year. When they're out of the playoff picture by the deadline, maybe we can land him and re-sign him.

That's a trade worth evaluating. Not Taj 'Freaking' Gibson.

I don't care about being an 8th seed.

I want a championship. And I don't see the rush to cut our assets to acquire a fill in PF that we're just going to ween off the court as Favors develops.

I agree 100% with Sam, terrence williams would be perfect coming off the bench. his abilities would give him a shot at being one of the best sixth men in the league this season.

@Patrick- You are suggesting that Terrence Williams is a good option turning the ball over SIX times a game?

Terrence should come off the bench because he can do a lot of things pretty well but he isn't particularly great at anything.

Favors should start because he could be advanced past the point where Tim Duncan was in his senior year at Wake Forest in two years if he is as intelligent as people say he is (the Spurs were even trying to move up to draft him).

Harris will be revitalized under Avery Johnson, who was the leader on several good winning teams that featured two great big men and an anchor at PG (Avery or Tony Parker) who would run the team around the pick and roll. This team is similar, with more talented young wing players.

The Nets should save their money to acquire their Manu Ginobili type scorer and they will be one of the best teams in basketball in several years, playing in a brand new Brooklyn arena.

i too love the morroww trade. in today's nba game, u need 3 point shooting. the more i think about it the more im liking our team as it is. i only want a trade if it is for a superstar like CP3. if not, then lets roll the dice with what we have. when u look at our young talent, we have 6 guys who have been in the league 2 years or less: lopez, favors, twill, d. james, morrow and c lee: so there is so much room for growth. and i believe 2 out of these 6 guys will be all stars. especially with the experienced coaching staff we have.

Look at the SG's that made the conference finals. Ray Allen, Reddick, Kobe and Jason Richardson. All of them shoot around 40% from three. CLee is at 33%, Twill 31% and Devin Harris is at 27%. They are what they are. You can't expect double digit improvement in this regard. This is why Morrow was such a great get.

Keep TWill and let him be a PG. This is where he and the Net's can max out his value. He might end up producing 20-25% less than a Rajon Rondo or a Tyreke Evans which would be great. Anyone think he can't get 14 pts, 5.5 rebounds 8 assists, 1.2 steals and 6 turnovers as a PG? As a bonus he might be able to get his 3 point percentage up to 34-35% which would be about 13% higher than Rondo.
In my mind he's better than Harris and Farmar right now.

We're much deeper at PF than at C, with Favors, Hump, and possible time from James and Outlaw-- but we have no one to back up Brook (Petro doesn't count any more than Battie did). Just re-sign Boone and be done.

i am to the point where i wish they would just start favors. because these power forwards they are talking about is not worth trading any of our players for. start favors. play him 25-28 minutes and let humphries back him up. we are strong enough at the rest of our positions to make up for what we will lack at power forward. and besides, with the awesome coaching staff we have, i think we are going to be very ok.

Plus, Favors needs minutes to develop, so our "starting" PF won't play a lot of minutes anyway.

I'm pretty sure our realistic goal this season is not winning a championship.
So who cares if Favors starts? It's not the end of the world. Sure, We can play Humphries/ Outlaw/ even James at the 4 as well.
No need for trades. Everyone calm down. If there are any trades, it'll probably come during the season (probably near trade deadline)

I wouldnt even trade a 2013 2nd round pick for Maxiell

till Favors takes over..

Well since the phone has been ringing off the hook and no one has pulled a trigger on a trade...the offers must be underwhelming. The owner is aware that fans are watching and after bungling the Free Agency (not entirely their fault as Lebron, Wade and Chris knew where they were going a few years ago) they probably will be more careful this time. Still we do need a PF till Favors over if ever. Outlaw and James are not viable alternatives. I don't own season tickets..but if I did I would want the best team available out there not mix and match.

Just wait for Davis West and T.Murphy? Those guys will want too much money and they are going to want to start(Favors's position). They aren't getting us a championship either. That's counter-productive to the Favors. I don't get why you keep suggesting those kinds of PF's in FA like they are studs. They will not ask for backup PF money either. If Landry wants more(or whoever they bring in), let him go when the time comes. Not a problem. The guy makes backup money and so will his replacement. They need to fill an immediate need to get better for the upcoming year to compete every night. Having a disgruntled SG (that can play) getting weak minutes isn't helping the team get any better. That's why you go ahead and move now.

The only guy we should offer for a PF rent a player is Quinton Ross. PERIOD!

@yoyo...

What? Who cares, we have him under contract. When guys like Courtney Lee demand a trade it's not even news.

Lee has the opportunity be the starter. He can get his minutes. T-Will can play the 1, 2, or 3. That gives plenty of minutes to Courtney Lee, if he earns them.

Morrow was a great add, but he's a shooter and nothing more. He should never be on the floor with out Lopez out there, so that's 18 minutes that he's not even an option.

Why trade either Lee or T-Will for a rent-a-player PF, when we can hang on to them and land somebody better next year without giving anything up?

If we get a shot at a true value added player, it's a different story. If Tim Duncan becomes available, sure trade one of those guys.

The trade of C-Lee for Bass isn't awful, but the focus should remain on marquee superstars, like Granger and Paul. Because those are the guys that will help us win a title.

Not Carl Landry, who would play here this year, and take a big pay day next year.

Just wait for David West or Troy Murphy next year. That's the guy we add.

I don't even know what your stance is YoYo. We need to pro-actively settle on a trade for a non-factor stop gap before a non-star we have under contract pouts?

Let them pout. Maybe the competition for a starting role will bring out the best in them.

this is crazy. C-Lee for Bass? yea, i'd do that in a heartbeat. absolutely. Trading T-Will? No way. He should be our future starting 2. And not a good defender? WHAT? he was toted for his defense coming into the draft and hated on for a lack of offensive game, which is very raw and unpolished which we saw last season. So, if he wasn't a good offensive player coming out of the draft, and you say he's not a good defender, why'd we take him in the lotto? It's nonsense. He's a budding into a very good starter for us who plays excellent D and has the potential to have a very nice offensive game. To say he's not a good defender is just...asinine.
Let's just sign Craig Smith as our stop gap or trade C-lee for Bass. We're not winning this year, no need to mortgage our future for an extra 5 wins or so, if that

Well JDoc , you have Courtney Lee rotting away as a 3rd string SG. He'll be asking to be traded as he could start or backup for a lot of good NBA teams. That's not good for his future earnings so you know his agent will crying to management for a trade.That's why they should go ahead and act now if they can bring in a PF to start over Humphries this year and then backup Favors after Humphires leaves. They have an immediate need to fill and an excess at one position.

Remember, now that Billy King is in charge, trades like these will be the unfortunate norm around here.

i dont understand why we would trade one of the few guys we have with great potential for a player who is just filling a gap until our 3RD OVERALL PICK can start. it makes no sense. just sign an old man like kurt thomas or leave hump. in there to start the season. damion james/outlaw could also attempt to play the 4 against smaller teams since we have so much depth in the backcourt and SF.

Honestly, stop reporting this. It's nonsense.

Terrence Williams is a GREAT defender. What are you talking about? Just because he doesn't rack up stats doesn't mean he isn't a good defender. Sure there are better defenders out there but more than 75% of the league at the wing position is worse than him.

@Nardfather good riddance

Shut up with the trading T-Will crap already and all those trades are awful. i am done with this site, bad reporting, lack of basketball knowledge, and no real insight...

i doubt the nets are going to trade a potential star in terrence williams for someone who's going to be at least the third big man in the team in less than a year. i honestly think that would be a really bone head thing to do, and it'll be something the nets will regret for years to come. besides, all this t-will trade talk was just a product of dave d's speculation wasn't it? i think i remember reading he was just saying it was a possibility.

the nets should keep t-will and just explore other options at pf. getting a TEMPORARY starting pf isn't going to win us any championships soon anyway.

Can we stop with the speculation on here? This is the 4th article in a row saying that a T-Will trade is inevitable and we should do it.

It's ridiculous. It doesn't make sense, and nobody is convincing anybody.

The pro-side of the debate says, I don't agree with it but...

The con-side of the debate says, it's crazy and nonsense.

Beat writers are not GM's and one poorly researched fluff piece by a putz journalist isn't a reason for speculation.

Can we get back to articles that are actually productive towards learning about the team and the pieces we've acquired?

The fact is, that while we have a chance at making the playoffs this year, we expect that we are one year away still.

I'm tired of these trade T-Will articles. We can talk about so much else with the young dynamic players we have added.

In hindsight, we probably should have hung on to Yi for one more year, as after FA he may have fit our roster better, but in the long term, it doesn't matter. Yi wasn't in the big picture. Quinton Ross certainly isn't in the big picture.

C-Lee, T-Will. They certainly are expected to continue to develop and produce. Outlaw, James. They are both players that we feel will get significantly better. Morrow is a role player. He's JJ Reddick, not Joe Johnson. Farmar is an insurance pick up.

The team is fine. Ross and Humphries are gone next season. Favors is supposed to be a capable starter next season. If he isn't we pick up David West or Zach Randolph.

2011 is the year we make the playoffs and begin our ascension to the thrown.

2011 Roster W/ No Trades:
PG: Harris/Farmar/T-Will
SG: T-Will/Morrow/C-Lee
SF: Outlaw/James/T-Will
PF: Favors/FREE AGENT/DRAFT PICK
C: Brook/Petro/DRAFT PICK/FA

That's not bad at all.

In next years FA class you have: David West or Troy Murphy (Great Fits) from NJ, and will be 31 years old. One last good pay day, and they hold it down one more year until the Favors era erupts.

Zach Randolph: Better than any PF in this class except Bosh in my opinion.

Al Horford: Ditto

Landry: Next year we can spend money on him instead of trading T-Will.

G. Davis/Perkins/Diaw/Noah/Nene

Next year is loaded for PF's in FA. Plus the draft projects 6 of the top 10 players coming out to play PF.

Trading T-Will is not the answer. We all know it isn't. That's why no is excited about trading him for Carl Landry. That's why it's not going to happen. So can we stop speculating it, and talking about it.

Trading T-Will for Chris Paul or Danny Granger, is a different story. That may happen, and I expect those are the phone calls we're actually making. We're not asking about Taj 'Freaking' Gibson.

How about we put an article that's interesting up and talk about next year's FA crop and Draft Crop, and how they might fit into the Nets plans. I'd rather that than give creedence to any more Trade T-Will talk.

Why trade anybody right now. Now is not the time. The time is when teams are clamoring for an edge to take a shot at the playoffs. That's when they get a bit desperate and you will end up with a better deal. Let's sort this all out and see what the players all bring to the table. Since our expectations are not as high as some other teams we can sit back and wait. That's what a good GM would do. Strike when you are at an advantage. Right now we just don't know what we have in many ways and certain positions. That will have to be sorted out during training camp, preseason and it might take all the way into the all star break. That is barring any injuries. So lets sit back and let the season unfold. When the iron is hot strike and get the best deal without giving up anything that is NOT redundant on our roster. The difference could be the addition of a first round draft pick for us which would help in the future for more trades. It's an asset that could be a deal maker for someone we really need and would help this team get to that level we all are hoping for. Making insignificant moves laterally as opposed to stocking up on assets for a big move is the way to go.

Comments made by Nets management over the last few weeks tell me that they will make a trade for a PF. They are clearly not comfortable with what they have at this point. A serviceable guy (much more sericeable than Humphries) who doesnt eat up cap space and could be here for a couple of years while Favors develops makes perfect sense. I like TWill, but I am not convinced the Nets are going to give him the minutes he needs to develop. Why would they have signed these other guys who play the same position that he does? Unfortunately, I think summer league was nothing more than an audition for TWill for other oragnizations. I hope I am wrong. As an aside I think Morrow was a tremendous signing especially when you consider what they had to pay him. Granted he isnt a great defender, but he can flat out shoot. It should help eliminate the doubling that Brook receives. 47% on FG's, 46% on 3's and 88% on ft (great for the end of game when you have a lead).

courtney lee for bass good trade.. t will for any one else is just stupiddddddd

Then why can't you look the other way for a last place team that needs more impact players like T.Will. That's my point. They are probably near the bottom in a lot of different offensive areas. They did bring in Outlaw and Farmar which are pretty solid behind the arc. Their biggest issue was probably Harris taking way too mnay 3's , bringing down his (and the teams) overall field goal percentage). I think Avery will kick him in the butt if he's pulling that this year.

You'd better look the other way when you're starting backcount shoots 30% from behind the arc combined......

I agree with many of the comments here. If I were to choose between Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams, I would take Terrence. He could turn into a smaller, a late-blooming, LeBron. He can pass, handle, and make plays, while he still has the tools to become a great defender. C Lee just seems less dimensional compared to Williams.

Trade Lee and some picks for a PF.

Why did the Nets sign Jordan Farmar? It just doesn't make sense to me. Nets should not trade away Harris.

Why would other teams value T.Will more than Lee? He's weak on defense , ha. And why would they sign Morrow if he can't D-up anyone? Let me guess , they need 3 point shooting so that's ok! So much for the "Avery" type player , right? We can look the other way just this once *wink*

If the Magic like CLee trade him to the Magic for Brandon Bass and we're done. Bass looked great in the playoffs, and is a very aggressive rebounder/defender.
Until we get rid of Harris we still have four guards (Harris,TWill Morrow and Farmar) who can all play the 2, and three who can play point.

Just out of curiosity... why don't you think the value TWill all too highly? He's the kid we took with our lotto pick last year and he showed great promise, and got more mature as the season went on. He made the team more competitive and fun to watch... I mean, a couple of weeks ago everyone was very high on him, then all of the sudden this nonsense about trading him starts.... why? I just want to know why you think that, Sebastian.

Add 20 pounds to Outlaw and you get Landry. All of the above scream of a very regrettable trade, largely because we drafted a guy who we expect to be an impact player in two years' time. Someone please present me a situation with any of the guys above where, in two years' time, we are better positioned to win a championship.

"Before Dave D’s piece, I thought it was going to be Lee as the one to be moved, however that article made me realize that T-Will might be the one to go…"
Why? Do you think it makes any sense at all? Do you agree with him that TWill is a "spare part" or a "third stringer"? Do you believe Lee, Morrow or Farmar are any better than him?

Dave D's article is a piece of garbage, if you ask me. It isn't backed up by any source quote, like he usually does (like when he quotes a FO source as saying they would drafted Johnson if they were willing to pay a PF $10M a year or when he quoted team officials as saying a trade for Paul or a David Lee signing were not happening). No one else, no other beat writers have even mentioned the possibility of trading TWill, Dave D's speculation makes no sense at all.

"I have been saying that a deal was going to happen before Dave D’s piece. I mean there has to be a reason why the Nets are stockpiling wing players."
I don't see the problem here. Avery himself said having depth is a good problem to have and that he'll let the kid battle it out. Also, guys like Outlaw and James could get some spot minutes at the 4. And James is just a rookie.

They may want Brook or Favors too, and that doesn't mean we should give up on them.

I don't know why you thik that, Sebastian. Dave D's piece was a bunch of baseless nonsense that wasn't backed up by any source quote nor other beatwriters telling the same.

He was speculating. And his reasons were pretty stupid, IMO. He calls TWill a spare part and a 3rd stringer in all 3 perimeter positions. Seriously, WTF? After the way he ended the season everyone was salivating with this kid, then we add a couple of role players to add some depth and all of the sudden everyone starts freaking out and saying he's the odd man out?

I want to give Avery the benefit of the doubt.