#15: Rick Barry

Rick Barry was one of the game’s best pure SFs of all-time – a man who possessed deadly accuracy from all over the court, had court vision, could rebound, played defense tenaciously and had a will to win that is often nonexistent in today’s athletes.

He’s also, and perhaps most notably, known as one of the game’s biggest jerks. From Tony Kornheiser’s brilliant 1983 profile of Barry in Sports Illustrated:

“You’ll never find a bunch of players sitting around talking about the good old days with Rick,” says Ken Macker, the Warriors’ executive vice-president. “His teammates and his opponents generally and thoroughly detested him.” And while that seems an extreme judgment, influenced by Macker’s loyalty to his boss, Franklin Mieuli, even Barry’s defenders concede its essential truth. John Roche, a friend and teammate of Barry’s on the Nets, says, “Many players resented Rick. The way Rick conducted himself could be construed as implying superiority. But I always felt it was unintentional. People misread Rick. Most people admire competitiveness. But apparently Rick’s took forms that angered people.” Another friend, the Spurs’ Billy Paultz, who played with Barry on the Nets and the Rockets, says, “If you got to know Rick you’d have realized what a good guy he was. But around the league they thought of him as the most arrogant guy ever. I couldn’t believe it. Half the players disliked Rick. The other half hated him.”

While a select few have found nearly every selection of NAS’ Top 44 Nets of all-time to be controversial, I’m certain the placement of Barry so low on the list is sure to ruffle a few feathers. And why not? How many players who are in their respective “best of an era” conversations have ever suited up for the Nets? Two? Three? Barry was a player with potential who actually reached it, unlike a number of other Nets who are certain to appear later on this list. But also keep in mind that Barry only spent two seasons with the Nets during their ABA iteration in New York. He was beyond outstanding, averaging more than 30 points, 7 rebounds and 4.5 assists during those two seasons, and putting the Nets organization on the map where it would inevitably achieve future glory in the ABA with Julius Erving in tow.

So perhaps it’s Barry’s personality that may be influencing his placement among all-time Nets. It’s essentially impossible to find any people that talk about how he made all of his teammates better a la a Jason Kidd, or how much he emotionally meant to his team and the game like Drazen Petrovic, or how he mentored the younger players on his team like a Vince Carter. You have this gem also from the Kornheiser piece, but we already know how GOOD Barry is at basketball:

“He was Larry Bird before there was a Larry Bird,” says Al Menendez, director of player personnel for the New Jersey Nets. “He was a great artist. A Mozart. A Picasso. A Caruso,” says Lou Carnesecca, who coached Barry for two seasons on the Nets. “I’d diagram a play, and Rick would instinctively see four or five options that I’d never even imagined. In 35 years of coaching I’ve never had another guy like that.”

Adding to the tarnishing of his legend is how he bounced around the NBA and ABA during the 1970s. He jumped from the San Francisco Warriors to the ABA’s Oakland Oaks during the 1967 story, and after a stint in Washington/Virginia, was with the Nets through 1972, helping the Nets reach the ABA Finals that year to boot. But then, a U.S. District Court judge ruled that Barry was prohibited from playing anywhere but with the NBA’s Golden State Warriors and he had to be returned to his original NBA team once his contract with the Nets expired.

“If I had to do it all over again,” Barry says, first with a grin and then a grimace, “I’d wait for some other fool to do it. It did me more harm than good. It was bad enough that people didn’t like the way I looked on the court, but when I went to the ABA I was cast as a money-hungry backstabber. So people who already didn’t like me could really tee off on me; I was fair game. Had I stayed in the NBA, I’d have overcome most of it. Eventually they’d have talked more about my playing than my histrionics. But when I left, boy, I was a marked man.”

Admittedly, my knowledge of Barry is reserved to articles like this, and NBA history clip shows. His underhanded free throw technique is as unique yet effective as it gets, and for someone who never saw him play, may be the most recognizable thing about his game I can point to.

But I understand there are going to be older fans who view Barry as so much more than perhaps this list gives him credit for. But that’s the funny thing about lists. There as subjective as it gets. Just like Barry’s game apparently was. Sure he was an all-time great, but if there’s hardly anyone out there to go to bat for you, what good is once-in-a-lifetime talent?

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Two seasons out of 44 isn't a helluva lot of time, but Rick Barry loomed large over Long Island during his relatively brief tenure. As noted above, the '72 run to the finals was a joy to behold in red, white and blue. As a kid, I couldn't believe the Nets had a player that good playing that well. If Barry isn't in your Top 10, I assume it's because you're saving room for Levern "Jelly" Tart. (At least I modestly hope so.)

This feature is a lot of fun. Thanks for attempting to put the entire Nets oeuvre into perspective.

There are three men who carried the Nets to either a Finals appearance or a title: Kidd, Erving, and Barry. That fact alone should guarantee each a top-10 spot on this list.

@llemon

And always remember that a personal blog such as Nets Are Scorching may want to encourage debate, but is ultimately not a democracy. So if you want to keep calling me or whoever else an idiot, I can just channel my inner-dictator and simply remove your comments from the post. So really, the choice is yours. If I have to be blunt, I'm really not crazy about getting insulted for something I do as a hobby and if you're going to continue to act the way you have been since we started this list, I'm just going to set it up so I don't have to deal with it anymore.

You can say what you want, but always remember, when I want to fall back on something that makes you look like an idiot, all I have to say is 'Pearl Washington'.

And a rousing Bronx Cheer to you

Hey llemon! Let me ask you something. Did you like or dislike the Pearl Washington selection? I just can't tell.

You didn't like his inclusion on the list. We get it. The Nets history is filled with could've-beens, and I think he was an interesting guy to talk about, given his history and his fall from collegiate grace. Now kindly un-break your record and quit the personal attacks.

@llemon

Nobody wants to take away your memories or reminisces. I just ask that you try and walk the fine line when you criticize the list and focus more on why player A) is better/worse than player B) rather than debate the intelligence/merit/fandom/legitimacy of the listmakers.

As for my specific comment, I was just explaining for the umpteenth time the methodology that was used here. And while I appreciate that some opinions are going to differ from the writers, I think debating the methodology after three weeks is growing tiresome and the readers who vehemently disagree have to understand that this is a list that some fans have put together in our free time to allow us to continue to write about the sport and team we love, for the love of the craft and if they want something more officious and reflective of someone who has been following the team for more than 40 years, they're going to be sorely disappointed.

And to take the juvenile approach, it's our blog and we'll say/write/do what we want to. Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.

Mark Ginocchio :@Devin
Kharpertian
Just to kick around the point some more, when people go through the Rick Barry highlight reel, you’re rarely going to find much, if anything from his time with the Nets. If we ranked the greatest players who ever wore a Nets uniform, things would probably shake out much differently.
And as I’ve said before, these selections were done collaboratively with a group of fans who were not even born during the ABA era. That’s not to say that people didn’t try and be objective, but as I mentioned, a guy like Barry – you rarely sit there during a Nets broadcast and watch them reminisce about the Rick Barry days, but there’s certainly plenty of nostalgia for guys like Kidd, K-Mart, Petro, Carter, Buck Williams, etc.

Well. then please understand that when I reminisce about the Nets I see Rick Barry,, Ollie Taylor dunking over Artis Gilmore, Johnny Roche shooting 'the thing', The Whopper's incredible form on his hook shot, Brian Taylor's incredible defense, and SuperJohn's 'up the ladder' jumpshot, and the pairing of Dr. J and Special K.

The '72 Nets playoff run is the most exciting part of my following professional basketball.

Everyone reminisces differently

@Devin Kharpertian

Just to kick around the point some more, when people go through the Rick Barry highlight reel, you're rarely going to find much, if anything from his time with the Nets. If we ranked the greatest players who ever wore a Nets uniform, things would probably shake out much differently.

And as I've said before, these selections were done collaboratively with a group of fans who were not even born during the ABA era. That's not to say that people didn't try and be objective, but as I mentioned, a guy like Barry - you rarely sit there during a Nets broadcast and watch them reminisce about the Rick Barry days, but there's certainly plenty of nostalgia for guys like Kidd, K-Mart, Petro, Carter, Buck Williams, etc.

"Maybe if Jordan played less than 140 games in two ABA seasons"

Lemme guess-- Barry played 139? Yep.

"didn’t make it out of the first round"

As noted above, they made the finals. What wasn't noted was that Barry was a one-man team in those playoffs, with a PER of 24.1. He also carried the team in the regular season, but because Bill Melchionni decided to show up for the regular season, not to the same extent.

"No denying Barry’s greatness. Just his greatness with the Nets."

So, there are 14 guys who were great with the Nets? Are we counting Sly and the chubby kid at last year's Celtics game?

Given how the rankings shook out, these two things are true:

1) Our guys placed a higher importance on NBA success than ABA success, particularly recent NBA success, since the game has evolved so much from the 70s;
2) Our guys placed a higher importance on guys who were here for at least 3 seasons, if not more.

For instance, Kenyon Martin is ranked ahead of Rick Barry despite having been half the player Barry was before his knees went to hell. But K-Mart was here over twice as long, was a big part of two Finals trips, and connected with the Nets franchise. In the grand scheme of things, K-Mart mattered more - not to the NBA, but to the Nets.

You're free to disagree, as always. But that's how I ranked them, and I think how most of these guys interpreted "importance to the franchise" -- not as individual, all-time greatness, but as their impact on the Nets.

Devin Kharpertian :
Maybe if Jordan played less than 140 games in two ABA seasons and didn’t make it out of the first round with the Bulls, he would.
No denying Barry’s greatness. Just his greatness with the Nets.

Barry didn't get out of the 1st rd as a Net?

Ach - I mixed up my seasons. In Barry's second season, they made the ABA Finals. Mea culpa.

My point stands nonetheless.

Who are you, and what have you done with Mark Ginocchio? I'm guessing you (whoever you are) would rate Michael Jordan the 4th or 5th best Bull of all time, because he was such a prick.

Maybe if Jordan played less than 140 games in two ABA seasons and didn't make it out of the first round with the Bulls, he would.

No denying Barry's greatness. Just his greatness with the Nets.

Consider my feathers ruffled.

@Dane

Yeah, that sums it up in a nutshell. Probably the second greatest player to ever wear the uniform, but there were better "Nets" in my humble opinion. If this was a top Golden State/Oakland list, can't see how he's not in the top there.

If you are going on best players who have ever played for the Nets, Barry would be #2 behind Julius. But if you are going on what they did on the Nets while they were wearing the uniform, then this makes more sense.

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